Tom Brady or Peyton Manning


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Poll: Peyton or Brady?
10 vote(s) since September 9, 2014 03:15
Peyton Manning (5) (50%)
Tom Brady (5) (50%)
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:15
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Ah. The eternal question that will haunt football fanatics for long after both are enshrined in the Hall of Fame. So the question is, who is better, Peyton or Brady?

I'll try to present the arguments I see of why each one could be considered better than the other in the most unbiased way I can.

Argument for Peyton:
Better stats (averages 4331 yards, 33 TD's per season to Brady's 4089 yards, 30 TD's per season, in seasons where they play at least 15 games)
NFL record for passing yards and TD's in a season
Has been to the Superbowl with two different teams
Colts went 2-14 without Manning in 2012 (Pats went 11-5 in 2008 under a Qb who hasn't completed a pass since high school when Brady went down in game 1)
Has thrown 4 "perfect" (Qb rating 158.3) games to Brady's 2
As long as he stays healthy, will break Favre's record for career TD's (only needs 15 more) around game 8 this season and break his record for career yards about halfway through game 8 of next season based on his average yds and td's a game, although it's likely to be much sooner for both.

Argument for Brady:
3 Superbowl rings

Yup, that's about it. So who's your pick?

Edit: Forgot to add, Peyton has 5 league MVP's to Brady's 2.
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:20
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3 rings speaks the truth. Tom elite clutch brady above all.


Kiss thy rings.
  
                
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:21
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Tom Brady more clutch

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  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:21
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narutokid000 wrote:
3 rings speaks the truth. Tom elite clutch brady above all.


Kiss thy rings.
"Clutch" even though Peyton has nine more career 4th quarter comebacks.
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:22
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EvanGrant wrote:
narutokid000 wrote:
3 rings speaks the truth. Tom elite clutch brady above all.


Kiss thy rings.
"Clutch" even though Peyton has nine more carer 4th quarter comebacks.

But yet he cant win a superbowl.


#Butthatsnoneofmybusiness

Edit: Ok he's won 1 superbowl when he was on the colts, but tom already has won 3 on the same team.
  
                
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:24
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Oh god, not a ring vs stat argument.
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:25
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narutokid000 wrote:
EvanGrant wrote:
narutokid000 wrote:
3 rings speaks the truth. Tom elite clutch brady above all.


Kiss thy rings.
"Clutch" even though Peyton has nine more carer 4th quarter comebacks.

But yet he cant win a superbowl.


#Butthatsnoneofmybusiness
And there it is. I forgot, Peyton was playing defense and special teams and allowed all those touchdowns against the Seahawks. My bad. You win. You sure showed me. I don't even know why I bothered trying to debate with you in the first place, because you clearly know more about all this than me.

Edit: Brady's a system Qb. Granted, he'd still easily make my top ten list and before this last season, would've been #3 on my list of greatest of all time, but still. He's only so "good" because he plays under one of the best coaches in NFL history. Peyton doesn't even need a coach and still tears defenses apart.
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:30
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EvanGrant wrote:
narutokid000 wrote:
EvanGrant wrote:
"Clutch" even though Peyton has nine more carer 4th quarter comebacks.

But yet he cant win a superbowl.


#Butthatsnoneofmybusiness
And there it is. I forgot, Peyton was playing defense and special teams and allows all those touchdowns against the Seahawks. My bad. You win. You sure showed me. I don't even know why I bothered trying to debate with you in the first place, because you clearly know more about all this than me.

Well you're not wrong.

Tom also has more superbowl appearances than peyton.
  
                
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:31
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I'd rather take the QB with the most playoffs wins, 5 trips to the superbowl with 3 wins, over 1 person who can barely even win 1, let alone make it to 3.
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  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:41
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narutokid000 wrote:
EvanGrant wrote:
narutokid000 wrote:
But yet he cant win a superbowl.


#Butthatsnoneofmybusiness
And there it is. I forgot, Peyton was playing defense and special teams and allows all those touchdowns against the Seahawks. My bad. You win. You sure showed me. I don't even know why I bothered trying to debate with you in the first place, because you clearly know more about all this than me.

Well you're not wrong.

Tom also has more superbowl appearances than peyton.
See. This is the problem I have with anyone who states Brady is better. They compare the Patriot's team stats against the Colt's (and now the Bronco's) team stats. The argument isn't whether the Patriots are better than the Colts/Broncos, but whether Brady is better than Peyton. I can give an example of why the superbowl appearance/team wins arguments is flawed. Look at Brady vs Eli Manning. Eli Manning is 2-0 against Brady in the Superbowl, but I'd be damned if a single person on this planet said Eli was better than Brady. Wins and losses don't mean anything, unless the reason a team loses is because of the Qb (such as over/under throwing a wide open receiver in the final seconds of the game, or throwing an interception that gets returned for a touchdown). And let's be honest here, when it comes to Brady and Peyton, that doesn't happen often for either.
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:44
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whats next comparing lebron james too micheal jordan
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  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:47
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Regular season : manning

Playoffs: brady


Overall brady since he can clutch it in playoffs and has 3 sb rings.
  Posted on September 9, 2014 03:49
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Black39 wrote:
I'd rather take the QB with the most playoffs wins, 5 trips to the superbowl with 3 wins, over 1 person who can barely even win 1, let alone make it to 3.
The Pats haven't won a Superbowl since Spygate. Just thought you should know. And you might also like to know that between the two, Peyton is the most recent to have won a ring.
  Posted on September 9, 2014 04:44
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Tom Brady Hands down man.
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  Posted on September 9, 2014 11:22
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This is the big problem with this debate. All anyone ever does is go on about how great one of them is, completely ignoring the other. You can make a very similar argument for Tom Brady, pointing out his 7 game winning post season drives, and 4 4th quarter comebacks(Manning only has 1). NFL players voted Tom Brady as the guy they'd want the most in the final 2 minutes of a game, this was from January 29th of this year:

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NFL players have voted the New England Patriots quarterback the most clutch signal-caller in the league. Brady received 128 of a possible 320 votes, while Manning received 86.

Manning has the higher average stat total, but Manning has also, by far, had the better supporting cast around him. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely, Edgerrin James while in Indianapolis. Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker, Julius Thomas in Denver.

Tom Brady only had above average to elite supporting cast on offense for 5 years of his career.

Peyton Manning has had an above average to elite supporting cast on offense for nearly his entire career. So, if anything, it's embarrassing that Manning doesn't have a bigger lead in stats.

The teams wins without Brady and Manning aren't as simple as the difference between Brady and Manning. Matt Cassel is at the very least a serviceable QB in this league. He's had his ups and downs but he's had years where he's looked really good, and could very well be on pace for a solid year under Norv Turner in Minnesota.

The Colts replaced Peyton Manning with a way past his prime Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky. Dan Orlovsky is by far the best QB of that bunch, and actually went 2-3 as their starter. A very average at best rookie Andrew Luck comes in the next year and takes the team to 11-5.

While Manning certainly meant a ton to that team, it didn't go from being a playoff contender to a #1 pick contender because he went down. It went to that because of how bad those who replaced him were.

I'm not really sure why perfect QB rating games matters all that much, but I'll entertain the thought anyway. Joe Montana only had 1 in his career, Marino had none, Aaron Rodgers has had none, Staubach had none, Jim Kelly had none...I can keep listing more and more, but that'll just make this post even longer than it already is, so to get to the point, does those QBs having less than the likes of Ken O'Brien(2), Dave Krieg(2), Craig Morton(2), Jim Hart(1), Steve Grogan(1), and others mean they're somehow lesser QBs in certain ways than them? I certainly hope you wouldn't make that argument.

Breaking records is cool, but all that means is you played a long time. Favre isn't the greatest QB of all time and has never been close to being that but he owns those records.

MVPs are a joke. Almost as big of a joke as pro-bowl votes at this point. I don't even know the last time the most valuable player in the league actually won the award.

So, you see how easy it is to skew an argument for either side to make the other look bad in comparison? And do you also now see how incredibly stupid it is to do so?

This argument is a stupid one, honestly. Brady and Manning are equals. There are things they do better than each other, like Brady(prime, anyway) was a better deep ball thrower. Manning was(maybe still is, I guess) quicker at making his reads and getting the ball out. Brady makes slightly less mistakes than Manning(2.0 INT% for Brady, 2.6 for Manning), Manning throws slightly more TDs(5.8 for Manning. 5.4 for Brady).

You want to know the biggest difference, in their careers? Brady had the smarter team. Brady had the front office that knew, to win superbowls, you needed good QB play and great defense, and thus they built that. Even in the Patriots almost perfect season in 07 where their offense was the star, the formula was the exact same in that superbowl as it was against St Louis, Carolina and Philadelphia. Defense kept the game close, Brady put the team ahead in the end..and then, for whatever reason, Asante Samuel drops an interception and Eli pulls off a freak play, and well, the rest is history.

Manning's team/front office? They saw that they had an elite QB and said lets just throw all the weapons we can at him and forget about doing anything on defense. That wins you a lot of regular season games, but that doesn't do much for you in the post-season. In the Colts first superbowl run under Manning, their D was most important aspect. It won them 3 of the 4 games they played in the post-season, Manning had to come through and win the AFC title game. The Colts second run to the superbowl, they were just flat out a lot better than the teams they played leading up to facing New Orleans, and when they got there, you saw what made the difference.

In a battle between two of the best quarterbacks, the Saints defense is what turned the game. That Saints defense, all year long, created turnovers. While the Colts D wasn't bad, it didn't make impact plays. They relied completely on Peyton to do it for them, and as it had numerous times in previous playoff games, came back to bite them in the ass.

This past run to the superbowl with Denver is a lot like the Colts run to play the Saints..they were just flat out better than the people they played in the post season. Reached the superbowl, and played an elite defense. and got their asses whipped. Why? Because the Broncos defense couldn't make any plays to help turn the game. They put 100% of the pressure on Peyton's shoulders, and he couldn't do it. No QB in the history of this game can.

Luckily for Peyton, he has a QB that experienced the EXACT SAME problem in his career as his GM in John Elway. He saw the defense needed impact players, and he brought them in. Now I don't know if this is going to put Denver over Seattle, but it's going to make it a hell of a lot closer, because the Broncos finally(or at least, should have) have what you need to win a superbowl..and that's a very good to elite defense and an effective(putting it lightly) offense.

This debate is stupid, and it makes my head hurt. Especially when it's all "OMG BRADY DA BEST" or "OMG MANNING DA BEST", where people, like you failed to do in your opening post, don't look at both sides. Instead, you(and others like you) do everything they can to skew the argument in the favor of the QB they prefer. It accomplishes absolutely jack shit when you do that. It doesn't encourage fun, intelligent debate, it encourages condescending statements, trolling, name calling, and what have you.

Brady and Manning are equals. If you like what one does more than the other, like in the example I listed above with the quicker reads for Manning or the better decision making for Brady, then cool. That's all up to your preference.

But to make an argument that one of these 2 is superior than the other, by any kind of margin? No, that's just wrong. No, not an opinion. Wrong.
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