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  Posted on August 12, 2014 19:48
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BTW, I'm enjoying this debate. I haven't had a challenge like this in a while.

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That might be true, but you have to take into consideration that Kakashi just received the Mangekyou just now. When Kakashi got the left eye, I'm pretty sure he had to train to use Kamui. It was a pretty lengthy amount of time too. Additionally, Obito is the original owner of both Sharingans, So not all the jutsus he can perform with it Kakashi would be able to perform, or at least at his level.
Exactly. I know he would have to train. But this isn't an ordinary situation where Kakashi transplanted the mangekyous.

Obito is temporarily powering him. Notice how he said it would expire eventually. It's because Kakashi didn't actually transplant those eyes. Obito is inside of him, and has granted him power. He if can just go inside of him and grant him this power, he is granting Kakashi his own power. Kakashi is temporarily boosted right now.

Look at Yamato. Look at his skill with Wood Style. Let's say he ended up losing those powers. And Hashirama's soul goes into him and grants him his power, and then Yamato magically gains the powers back, and off the bat, busts out a Wood Dragon. Wouldn't you think Hashirama powered him up? Or would you think that Yamato just simply got his powers back and still can only use them at his own level?

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Obito's soul is inside Kakashi? I don't think so. At the beginning of the chapter, Obito asked Rin to wait as he has to go back to the real world with an obvious purpose of giving Kakashi his Sharingan. Him asking Rin to wait means he's coming back, so I don't think his soul is permanently inside Kakashi if that's what you're trying to say. As for the reason for him being able to us PS straight away, well, we simply don't know enough of the previous chapter. Obito transferring both of his eyes through the soul thing method is just Kishi's way of making the scene straightforward and to keep the moment where Obito disintegrated since it was a pretty impactful sight to behold. I don't think it's the cause of the power-ups. Maybe he restored his chakra or something, like what Dan did to Tsunade. PS could just be a technique he copied, after all, only those with EMS can use it and we clearly have seen that Kakashi only activated MS. I don't think he turned his Sharingan into EMS either at the end of the chapter since that would be impossible unless Kakashi originally is an Uchiha with his own Sharingan. Sigh, This is why I hate ass-pull techniques.

Looking at that picture, and seeing how Obito is talking to Kakashi, what would you call that then? And I know Obito wont stay there, I never said that, but I just said his soul is currently in Kakashi.

Even if Obito restored his chakra, it doesn't make sense for him to already be at Stabilized level. You have to get used to Susano'o, you can't just bust out with the best level of it. And if Kakashi can already use the strongest Mangekyou technique at it's highest level without even having to develop it, train with it and no eye bleed, that just totally makes me think this is Obito powering him up. If Kakashi got both eyes transplanted he would not be able to bust out a Stabilized Susano'o like that. I'm telling you guys, Obito is powering him right now and that's why he said the power would expire.

Kakashi also can't just copy kekkei genkais. Kekkei genkais are just what you have personally. If he can't perform Stabilized Susano'o regularly, he can't just copy it. It's not like simple ninjutsus that can be copied by Kakashi remembering the hand signs. That wouldn't make sense. It'd be like me saying Kakashi can copy Amaterasu. Kakashi's Susano'o is his own.

Notice, it has it's own face, and it's based off Kakashi's face. It has a scar on the eye. t honestly doesn't make sense, and that's because of Kishi, but Kakashi can't copy Mangekyou techniques. He mine as well have copied Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi if that was the case.

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And how can you make sure that even his PS can defend him from Gai's Midnight Elephant or Night Moth? Both techniques are one of if not the most destructive attack ever shown in the series, not to mention un-evadable. You see, there's a problem here if Kakashi want to stay intangible. Gai is too fast to the point that Gaara and Kakashi can't even follow his movements when he was attacking Madara, having said that, how is Kakashi meant to know what body part of his is Gai after? How is he even meant to activate his intangibility first hand if the distance here is 1m. The time he realize that he had to stay intangible, he's already dead. Remember, Information still had to travel through our brains. Kakashi won't have the instinct to stay intangible. He need to have a reason and he needs to process it before he makes a move.
I never really assumed his Stabilized Susano'o could block those techniques. I basically question, how do we know that it can't?

This whole 1 meter thing is completely retarded. If I wasn't saying what Im saying for Kakashi, this win would just be an ultimate destructive act beyond recognition. Like 8th Gate Gai at 1m? Jesus lol. But I'm about to prove how a full body intangibility is possible. But honestly, I will make another topic just to get this 1m thing out of the way. That is just too unfair. This is potentially total rape at that distance.

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There seems to be a massive misunderstanding here. First of all, Intangibility and Teleporting in Obito's case is exactly the same thing. When you said Intangible, I simply am thinking that you mean only part of the body getting teleported to the other dimension. They cleared this up in one of the chapter which I can't be bothered to look for.

On your Konan's link, he didn't try to teleport himself. He tried to absorb the explosion but he couldn't since it's too slow so he slipped through it. He said it on your second link. And like I said before, intangibility is simply a small part teleportation. He's warping that certain part of his body to another dimension without actually detaching it from his body.

There's no such thing as full body intangibility. That means him warping his whole self to the other dimension..

Finally found the link. Was easier to find than I thought because of the title of the chapter.
I looked at the page you linked. It's just explaining how he is able to be attacked from the other dimension. It never says he can't do a full body intangibility. I assure you, after this post, it will all be clear as day. I'm going ham lol.

Look at this.

As you can see, he just completely phased through the pillar. If he can phase through the pillar, that means that if that pillar was picked up and thrown at him in an offensive manner, he could still phase through it, performing a full body intangibility. Now, Iet's clear up this Konan situation, because you've kind of twisted it up a bit.




If you look at the first page, he was getting ready to warp before she even stuck the bombs on him. To me, that looked like he was about to try and run away because of all those paper bombs. But regardless, even if he was trying to absorb the attack, the main points are #7 and #8, and that what is boxed in red.

If you look at #7, he became intangible. Then #8 shows an explosion after he became intangible. Then in the red box, he says that he "slipped through the explosion". Look at #7. The explosions engulfed his entire body and he slipped through it? What does that tell you? Full body intangibility.

Because we know he did not warp away, because in that case, he would have became solid while warping, and the explosions would have at least partially got him, like they did the first time because he could not warp them fast enough. But you see him come out in the same condition he was before the explosions, saying that he slipped through them.

How can you still think a full body intangibility does not exist after this?

You might be thinking, that it doesn't make sense. If he can just do a full body intangibility, why does he have to warp to his dimension? Well when he becomes intangible, even if he does a full body intangibility, whatever became intangible, it will return once whatever was attacking it passes. So in order to be able to stay in his dimension, he probably has to actually warp there. But as shown in the gif, he can actually do a full body intangibility, thus phasing into his dimension completely.
  Posted on August 12, 2014 22:31
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Draw. Gai kill him and then dies.
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  Posted on August 12, 2014 22:40
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Draw. Gai kill him and then dies.
Lmao true shit. At the most this would be a draw for Gai. But Im not giving up on Kakashi
  Posted on August 12, 2014 23:51
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I really don't have time right now so I'll make this reply quick and split this into two little paragraphs..

Obito referred to the sharingan Kakashi is possessing right now as a gift/present so it'd be weird if it just disappears right after, in that case, he should have referred to it as him borrowing it. He also mentioned here, at the second panel, Obito said to Kakashi that he gave his eye to him as a present when he became a jonin and that it would be a shame if he returned it back to him which signifies that Kakashi will get the eye permanently and thus the transfer is actually there physically. This is Naruto that we're talking about here, anything is possible. Obito giving his eye to Kakashi that way is no weirder than reviving the dead.

Okay, I totally get where you're coming from now about Obito's intangibility and your explanation helped a lot. It's me who kind of misunderstood how his intangibility worked. I'll just add to your point that, I think that when Obito uses his intangibility, it applies to his whole body and never partly so his body is either all intangible or all tangible. It only dis-activates when he wants to make physical contact or he goes over his time limit. Despite this though, like I said, it still have to be activated through will and thus require a process of thinking. Even if Kakashi was able to use his intangibility before Gai can endlessly assault him, this battle will turn into like Konan vs Obito fight where Gai will simply continue his assault until Kakashi's time limit is over, which will be far less than Obito. Only difference is Kakashi won't have Izanagi to save his ass. Additionally, Gai's attacks are so fast that he actually distorts the space which was shown here. That migh actually break the boundary between the two dimensions and thus the attack might actually hit Kakashi. Although I can't blab about this much since I don't quite understand how the two dimensions are connected.
  Posted on August 13, 2014 00:28
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Lmao true shit. At the most this would be a draw for Gai. But Im not giving up on Kakashi

Yey if you say kakashi wins, i believe in you. You're pro, i can't beat that You make posts like your life depends on it.
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  Posted on August 13, 2014 01:02
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Obito referred to the sharingan Kakashi is possessing right now as a gift/present so it'd be weird if it just disappears right after, in that case, he should have referred to it as him borrowing it. He also mentioned here, at the second panel, Obito said to Kakashi that he gave his eye to him as a present when he became a jonin and that it would be a shame if he returned it back to him which signifies that Kakashi will get the eye permanently and thus the transfer is actually there physically. This is Naruto that we're talking about here, anything is possible. Obito giving his eye to Kakashi that way is no weirder than reviving the dead.
If Kakashi is getting the eyes permanently, than what did Obito mean by his gift may expire?

To me this is all kind of adding up. Hashirama granted Sasuke the rest of his chakra. I don't when Kishi is going to show us what the hell this is going to do, but I hope he didn't forget. Hagoromo was also able to grant Naruto and Sasuke his power. I'm pretty sure that if Obito's soul just went into Kakashi, and he was able to give Kakashi mangekyou's just from his soul, don't you think he could have also powered Kakashi up?

These are some questions I have for you. You basically think this is as ordinary as Kakashi transplanting the eyes. Ok. Lets say, Obito ripped out his eyes and just left them their on the ground. Kakashi comes over and picks them up and transplants them. In this case, do you think Kakashi would still be able to perform a Stabilized Susano'o off the bat, with no eye bleed, when he isn't even an Uchiha? Sasuke is an Uchiha, and this dude had to progress through stages with his Susano'o.

If Kakashi can just start out with a full blown Stabilized Susano'o when he isn't even an Uchiha, why couldn't Sasuke do that when he is an Uchiha? My only logical explanation is that Obito just lent him his power. Just like Hashirama did to Sasuke, and just like Hagoromo did to Naruto. Hagoromo appeared in their minds and gave them his power. Obito's soul went into Kakashi, he appeared in his mind and now he has given him his power. I don't think this is as simple as Kakashi simply gaining the eyes. He's gained the eyes and he's using them like an Uchiha. I think Obito has powered him up.

I know it's bad writing, but Kishi can't be that stupid as to just let Kakashi already have that level of Susano'o, and with no bleeding, without a good explanation. Obito giving him the eyes and powering him up with his chakra, that would be a good explanation. Just think about that.

Kakashi is not an Uchiha, yet he's using Susano'o at a level that Sasuke took a while to even reach, and he's an Uchiha. Do you think it's as simple as him just gaining the eyes? Because if it is, god, this manga has become TOTAL horse shit. At least Obito powering him up would make some sense.

Also here's my other example:
Yamato and Hashirama both have the same power, but Hashirama uses it a lot better. Yamato loses the wood power. Hashirama's soul goes into him and grants him to power back. Out of no where, Yamato busts out the Wood Dragon. Would you think that he simply got his powers back, or would you think he got powered up by Hashirama?

geronix11 wrote:
Despite this though, like I said, it still have to be activated through will and thus require a process of thinking. Even if Kakashi was able to use his intangibility before Gai can endlessly assault him, this battle will turn into like Konan vs Obito fight where Gai will simply continue his assault until Kakashi's time limit is over, which will be far less than Obito. Only difference is Kakashi won't have Izanagi to save his ass. Additionally, Gai's attacks are so fast that he actually distorts the space which was shown here. That migh actually break the boundary between the two dimensions and thus the attack might actually hit Kakashi. Although I can't blab about this much since I don't quite understand how the two dimensions are connected.
Gai attacking him is also a thought process. He has to think, ok, I'm gonna attack him now. If Gai is automatically just gonna come at Kakashi the very second the fight starts, then the moment the fight starts, he has the though in his head to just blitz him. Kakashi could just have the thought in his head to become intangible right off the bat. I was also saying that whenever the intangibility, he could activate the Stabilized Susano'o.

And this is where I question, how do we know Gai will be able to break it or not?
  Posted on November 14, 2015 21:00
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does anyone mention kamui lightning cutter.?
kakashi wins this
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sorry for I replied the topic from 2014 but i like these match-ups
  Posted on November 15, 2015 10:48
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does anyone mention kamui lightning cutter.?
kakashi wins this
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sorry for I replied the topic from 2014 but i like these match-ups
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  Posted on November 16, 2015 04:56
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^^^ Don't reply to yourself.... ^^^

I'm always on Gai's side. Susanoo has been shown to be breakable. If anyone can do it, it's Gai in his 8 Gates Formation.
  Posted on November 16, 2015 05:49
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^^^ Don't reply to yourself.... ^^^

I'm always on Gai's side. Susanoo has been shown to be breakable. If anyone can do it, it's Gai in his 8 Gates Formation.
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  Posted on November 16, 2015 15:52
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ShogunOfSorrow wrote:
^^^ Don't reply to yourself.... ^^^

I'm always on Gai's side. Susanoo has been shown to be breakable. If anyone can do it, it's Gai in his 8 Gates Formation.
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  Posted on November 16, 2015 16:17
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Uzukis honestly, I really hope you do realize that everbody knows that these accounts are your alts, You making your self just look stupid when you are denying it.
It is just too obvious, there is no other NB member that posts so often in battle dome, also your way of typing makes it even more obvious
I think it would be better if you would just admit man come on bro.
  Posted on November 16, 2015 16:54
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Uzukis honestly, I really hope you do realize that everbody knows that these accounts are your alts, You making your self just look stupid when you are denying it.
It is just too obvious, there is no other NB member that posts so often in battle dome, also your way of typing makes it even more obvious
I think it would be better if you would just admit man come on bro.
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  Posted on January 14, 2016 12:58
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Gai wins this. Kakashi may be strong, but he's still not as strong as Rikudo Madara, while Gai would have killed him, if he wouldn't regenerate from 95% death to 100% health state in a second. The Raikage could destroy Susanoo with the help of Tsuchikage, but Gai is way stronger in 8th Gate Mode. Susanoo gets destroyed. Kakashi won't event be able to use Kamui on Gai or defend his bodu parts like Obito did, because he won't see Gai's moves, even Madara couldn't do it.
what in the fuck you say? kgai almost killed from gudodama if wasnt minato-kakashi,in wiki stated kamui in both eyes its faster than gudodama,so kakashi had time
pawelgs1 wrote:
Gai break susano with yagai

Srry for double post guys

Perfect Susano'o? Maybe yes.
Sasuke's ultimate Perfect Susano'o (with the Tailed Beasts)? Never.
if ultimate move of gai's cant go though on ps how can defeat kakashi because kamui raikiri>>>>sekizo in terms of speed

did u ever watched naruto? or what?
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