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  Posted on August 11, 2014 07:13
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There's something totally different going on here.
Nope, just bad writing.
Kakashi could barely use 1 Ms now he can use 2 and PS. Wait till next week because your stepping out of the bounds of reality my friend. Gai is going to wreak Kakashi because of chakra exhaustion. Even if Obito gave Kakashi chakra its still being drained at an alarming rate, while his entire body is being jacked up from using PS and 2 MS.
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  Posted on August 11, 2014 07:32
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Omerotsu wrote:
There's something totally different going on here.
Nope, just bad writing.
Kakashi could barely use 1 Ms now he can use 2 and PS. Wait till next week because your stepping out of the bounds of reality my friend. Gai is going to wreak Kakashi because of chakra exhaustion. Even if Obito gave Kakashi chakra its still being drained at an alarming rate, while his entire body is being jacked up from using PS and 2 MS.
Stepping out of the bounds of reality? Lol Kishimoto is flipping the Narutoverse upside down and I'm stepping out of the bounds of reality? Obito didn't just give Kakashi chakra, the dude's soul went into Kakashi, and he was speaking to Kakashi. But okay, I guess. I mean, all that happened is Kakashi just magically gained 2 mangekyous, and magically already has a Susano'o at Stabilized level with no eye bleed, but I guess I'm the one who's going out of bounds? Lol

Your saying I'm going out of bounds. Look at the manga dude. It's all been going out of bounds and I'm going with the shit lol. You think what I'm saying is so far fetched when it's not. Anyways, I guarantee you the manga will be showing you what you call out of bounds in the next couple of chapters.
  Posted on August 11, 2014 07:48
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luckyjhon wrote:
Omerotsu wrote:
There's something totally different going on here.
Nope, just bad writing.
Kakashi could barely use 1 Ms now he can use 2 and PS. Wait till next week because your stepping out of the bounds of reality my friend. Gai is going to wreak Kakashi because of chakra exhaustion. Even if Obito gave Kakashi chakra its still being drained at an alarming rate, while his entire body is being jacked up from using PS and 2 MS.
Stepping out of the bounds of reality? Lol Kishimoto is flipping the Narutoverse upside down and I'm stepping out of the bounds of reality? Obito didn't just give Kakashi chakra, the dude's soul went into Kakashi, and he was speaking to Kakashi. But okay, I guess. I mean, all that happened is Kakashi just magically gained 2 mangekyous, and magically already has a Susano'o at Stabilized level with no eye bleed, but I guess I'm the one who's going out of bounds? Lol

Your saying I'm going out of bounds. Look at the manga dude. It's all been going out of bounds and I'm going with the shit lol. You think what I'm saying is so far fetched when it's not. Anyways, I guarantee you the manga will be showing you what you call out of bounds in the next couple of chapters.
Not any of that. Kishi fucked up bad. What I was referring to is that you all believe Kakashi will last longer than Gai.
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  Posted on August 11, 2014 10:30
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Kakashi Wins
Intangibility son! Gai will eventually die from using the 8th Gate. Once the time that he can hold intangibility is up, he can activate his Stabilized Susano'o for a bit, and than become intangible again.

People might say Kakashi doesn't have an Uchiha body and blah blah.... Look at this dude... First of all, Obito's soul went in him, Second of all, the dude is already using Stabilized Susano'o and didn't even have to progress through stages, not to mention he had no sign of eye bleed meaning it's not even straining his eyes. We can't judge him by the usual standards.

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Lets be honest here guys, Kakashi doesn't have the chakra reserves to handle 2 MS and PS. Gai owns.
Obito's soul went into Kakashi, and magically activated 2 mangekyous, and Kakashi can magically already use Stabilized Susano'o.

If Kakashi not being an Uchiha mattered, the dude wouldn't be able to already be using Stabilized Susano'o. There's something totally different going on here. I'm pretty sure that by Obito's soul going into to Kakashi, he gained whatever chakra and power Obito had, just like he magically gained the 2 eyes Obito had.

Kakashi won't be able to stay intangible. Hell, Obito still had to make a plan with Kakashi for him to go to the other dimension as Madara kept attacking him. He mentioned that interdimensional travelling is too slow here. And we all know that Madara dodged none of Gai's attacks and could rely on nothing but his fast healing techniques to be able to survive the assault. The distance here is 1m. Even if Kakashi magically activated perfect susanoo before he gets wrecked, I'm not sure if even that could defend him from it. Gai's techniques are too destructive.
  Posted on August 11, 2014 16:48
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So, Rikudou Madara could barely defend himself from 8th gate Gai and you expect Kakashi with some Susanoo to ? Lol. Goddbye Gai fucks him up.
  Posted on August 11, 2014 18:52
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  Posted on August 11, 2014 19:15
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Gai, Kakashi is helpless against an opponent capable of not only blizting him but Gai's attacks will surely kill Kakashi.

  Posted on August 11, 2014 21:26
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gerronix11 wrote:
Omerotsu wrote:
Kakashi Wins
Intangibility son! Gai will eventually die from using the 8th Gate. Once the time that he can hold intangibility is up, he can activate his Stabilized Susano'o for a bit, and than become intangible again.

People might say Kakashi doesn't have an Uchiha body and blah blah.... Look at this dude... First of all, Obito's soul went in him, Second of all, the dude is already using Stabilized Susano'o and didn't even have to progress through stages, not to mention he had no sign of eye bleed meaning it's not even straining his eyes. We can't judge him by the usual standards.

luckyjhon wrote:
Lets be honest here guys, Kakashi doesn't have the chakra reserves to handle 2 MS and PS. Gai owns.
Obito's soul went into Kakashi, and magically activated 2 mangekyous, and Kakashi can magically already use Stabilized Susano'o.

If Kakashi not being an Uchiha mattered, the dude wouldn't be able to already be using Stabilized Susano'o. There's something totally different going on here. I'm pretty sure that by Obito's soul going into to Kakashi, he gained whatever chakra and power Obito had, just like he magically gained the 2 eyes Obito had.

Kakashi won't be able to stay intangible. Hell, Obito still had to make a plan with Kakashi for him to go to the other dimension as Madara kept attacking him. He mentioned that interdimensional travelling is too slow here. And we all know that Madara dodged none of Gai's attacks and could rely on nothing but his fast healing techniques to be able to survive the assault. The distance here is 1m. Even if Kakashi magically activated perfect susanoo before he gets wrecked, I'm not sure if even that could defend him from it. Gai's techniques are too destructive.
Wait so what are you trying to say? We're kind of talking about different things here. Let me explain.

You're saying Kakashi wont be able to stay intangible. And then your using a scenario where staying intangible wasn't the problem, it was him not having time to teleport, because he needed to teleport to his dimension to help them out, but when he tries to teleport, he becomes solid and open to attacks. Intangibility and teleporting are different. Teleporting takes time, intangibility doesn't take time, Kakashi can have it on, the moment the fight start, and Gai will just run right through him. Then he'll have an opportunity to activate Susano'o.

Man, people are underestimating Kakashi, but I'm telling you guys, he's gonna be overpowered as hell. Look at how the manga is going. You think Kishi is going to say "Oh Kakashi is not an Uchiha so he wont be able to use his skills as long". Seeing how overboard Kishi has taken it, I'm betting he's gonna make Kakashi strong as hell and use Obito's soul going into him as an excuse.
  Posted on August 11, 2014 21:35
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Omerotsu wrote:
gerronix11 wrote:
Omerotsu wrote:
Kakashi Wins
Intangibility son! Gai will eventually die from using the 8th Gate. Once the time that he can hold intangibility is up, he can activate his Stabilized Susano'o for a bit, and than become intangible again.

People might say Kakashi doesn't have an Uchiha body and blah blah.... Look at this dude... First of all, Obito's soul went in him, Second of all, the dude is already using Stabilized Susano'o and didn't even have to progress through stages, not to mention he had no sign of eye bleed meaning it's not even straining his eyes. We can't judge him by the usual standards.

Kakashi doesn't have the chakra reserves to handle 2 MS and PS. Gai owns. Obito's soul went into Kakashi, and magically activated 2 mangekyous, and Kakashi can magically already use Stabilized Susano'o.

If Kakashi not being an Uchiha mattered, the dude wouldn't be able to already be using Stabilized Susano'o. There's something totally different going on here. I'm pretty sure that by Obito's soul going into to Kakashi, he gained whatever chakra and power Obito had, just like he magically gained the 2 eyes Obito had.

Kakashi won't be able to stay intangible. Hell, Obito still had to make a plan with Kakashi for him to go to the other dimension as Madara kept attacking him. He mentioned that interdimensional travelling is too slow here. And we all know that Madara dodged none of Gai's attacks and could rely on nothing but his fast healing techniques to be able to survive the assault. The distance here is 1m. Even if Kakashi magically activated perfect susanoo before he gets wrecked, I'm not sure if even that could defend him from it. Gai's techniques are too destructive.
Wait so what are you trying to say? We're kind of talking about different things here. Let me explain.

You're saying Kakashi wont be able to stay intangible. And then your using a scenario where staying intangible wasn't the problem, it was him not having time to teleport, because he needed to teleport to his dimension to help them out, but when he tries to teleport, he becomes solid and open to attacks. Intangibility and teleporting are different. Teleporting takes time, intangibility doesn't take time, Kakashi can have it on, the moment the fight start, and Gai will just run right through him. Then he'll have an opportunity to activate Susano'o.

Man, people are underestimating Kakashi, but I'm telling you guys, he's gonna be overpowered as hell. Look at how the manga is going. You think Kishi is going to say "Oh Kakashi is not an Uchiha so he wont be able to use his skills as long". Seeing how overboard Kishi has taken it, I'm betting he's gonna make Kakashi strong as hell and use Obito's soul going into him as an excuse.
I don't think Obito has even passed on yet.
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  Posted on August 11, 2014 23:54
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Omerotsu wrote:
gerronix11 wrote:
Omerotsu wrote:
Kakashi Wins
Intangibility son! Gai will eventually die from using the 8th Gate. Once the time that he can hold intangibility is up, he can activate his Stabilized Susano'o for a bit, and than become intangible again.

People might say Kakashi doesn't have an Uchiha body and blah blah.... Look at this dude... First of all, Obito's soul went in him, Second of all, the dude is already using Stabilized Susano'o and didn't even have to progress through stages, not to mention he had no sign of eye bleed meaning it's not even straining his eyes. We can't judge him by the usual standards.

Kakashi doesn't have the chakra reserves to handle 2 MS and PS. Gai owns. Obito's soul went into Kakashi, and magically activated 2 mangekyous, and Kakashi can magically already use Stabilized Susano'o.

If Kakashi not being an Uchiha mattered, the dude wouldn't be able to already be using Stabilized Susano'o. There's something totally different going on here. I'm pretty sure that by Obito's soul going into to Kakashi, he gained whatever chakra and power Obito had, just like he magically gained the 2 eyes Obito had.

Kakashi won't be able to stay intangible. Hell, Obito still had to make a plan with Kakashi for him to go to the other dimension as Madara kept attacking him. He mentioned that interdimensional travelling is too slow here. And we all know that Madara dodged none of Gai's attacks and could rely on nothing but his fast healing techniques to be able to survive the assault. The distance here is 1m. Even if Kakashi magically activated perfect susanoo before he gets wrecked, I'm not sure if even that could defend him from it. Gai's techniques are too destructive.
Wait so what are you trying to say? We're kind of talking about different things here. Let me explain.

You're saying Kakashi wont be able to stay intangible. And then your using a scenario where staying intangible wasn't the problem, it was him not having time to teleport, because he needed to teleport to his dimension to help them out, but when he tries to teleport, he becomes solid and open to attacks. Intangibility and teleporting are different. Teleporting takes time, intangibility doesn't take time, Kakashi can have it on, the moment the fight start, and Gai will just run right through him. Then he'll have an opportunity to activate Susano'o.

Man, people are underestimating Kakashi, but I'm telling you guys, he's gonna be overpowered as hell. Look at how the manga is going. You think Kishi is going to say "Oh Kakashi is not an Uchiha so he wont be able to use his skills as long". Seeing how overboard Kishi has taken it, I'm betting he's gonna make Kakashi strong as hell and use Obito's soul going into him as an excuse.

We don't even know how adept Kakashi will be at being intangible like Obito does, First things first, We've only seen Obito use it. It's his sharingan so there's a possibility that this kind of ability alone is exclusive to him. Secondly, Kakashi is not an Uchiha. He might have both the eyes now but he's usage won't be as good as Obito's. Obito's limit at being intangible is 5 minutes. Kakashi theoretically should be lower. I'm pretty sure Gai's 8 gates lasts more than 5 minutes. Lastly, if Kakashi wants to use his intangibility to protect himself, he will have to do it on his whole body AKA Teleport. The Pressure from Gai's speed will obliterate Kakashi's whole body thus he has to protect his whole self. Making only part of his body intangible will simply not work.

I'm not underestimating Kakashi. Gai has to exchange his life to be able to use 8 gates. A jutsu said to surpass the power of 5 kages together. I don't think Kakashi is at that level, The PS he used on the latest chapter is too much of an ass pull for us to use to estimate just how much Kakashi got stronger.
  Posted on August 11, 2014 23:57
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  Posted on August 12, 2014 02:05
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First things first, We've only seen Obito use it. It's his sharingan so there's a possibility that this kind of ability alone is exclusive to him.
That's a really low chance. It was the ability of his mangekyou, Kamui of the right eye. Kakashi has that eye now, so it wouldn't make sense for him not to be able to use it. When Obito got both eyes, he was able to combine the powers and open warp holes at long range.

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Secondly, Kakashi is not an Uchiha. He might have both the eyes now but he's usage won't be as good as Obito's. Obito's limit at being intangible is 5 minutes. Kakashi theoretically should be lower. I'm pretty sure Gai's 8 gates lasts more than 5 minutes.
I know he's not an Uchiha, but theoretically, Obito's soul being inside of him should change something about him. Let's say Kakashi got both eyes normally. Do you think he'd already be able to activate a Stabilized Susano'o? I definitely don't think so. I think Obito's soul being inside of him is powering him to be able to use it at that stage already. Kakashi didn't even have those eyes. Obito's soul went into him, and now his eye's just turned to Mangekyou's that he doesn't even have. Doesn't that kind of give you a clue, that Obito is powering him?

Well, if Obito's soul went into Kakashi, and he's giving Kakashi this power, theoretically, don't you think it should at least be the same amount of time? This is definitely not an ordinary situation. I could understand if Kakashi picked both eyes up and transplanted them, then yeah, he definitely would not be able to use it as well and already have a stabilized Susano'o. But Obito's soul went into him and just granted him this power. Do you really think Kakashi could already have Stabilized Susano'o on his own, if he had transplanted the eye? Obito is totally powering this dude.

Also I know Gai's 8th Gate lasts longer than 5 minutes, but that's why I said Kakashi could activate Stabilized Susano'o when that times up. And then possible go back into intangibility

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Lastly, if Kakashi wants to use his intangibility to protect himself, he will have to do it on his whole body AKA Teleport. The Pressure from Gai's speed will obliterate Kakashi's whole body thus he has to protect his whole self. Making only part of his body intangible will simply not work.
This is not true. Many times, Obito has entirely phased through objects that are larger than himself. Against Torune and Fu, he phased in and out of the floor. If he can completely phase through the floor, if that whole bridge was picked up and thrown at him, he could phase right through it and the bridge would be thrown past him.

Against Konan. HERE, he tried to fully teleport himself. But Konan wouldn't allow that. So he had to become intangible. If killing him was that easy, she could have just still made the paper bomb explode, and Obito supposedly wouldn't be able to avoid it becuase he was have to to a full body intangibility in which you consider it warping, in which it would kill him because he would solidify in that case.

Anyhow, notice HERE, he states that he slipped through the explosions. This alone proves that teleporting and a full body intangibility aren't the same thing. Because he tried to teleport, realized he couldn't, and then use intangibility to escape.

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I'm not underestimating Kakashi. Gai has to exchange his life to be able to use 8 gates. A jutsu said to surpass the power of 5 kages together. I don't think Kakashi is at that level, The PS he used on the latest chapter is too much of an ass pull for us to use to estimate just how much Kakashi got stronger.
I know. Kakashi of course, isn't at that level. But Kakashi theoretically should have intangibility, and we don't even know if Gai is gonna be able to break the Stabilized Susano'o. He fought against a Madara that wasn't even using Susano'o. His defense wasn't hard, but rather it just demolished whatever touched it. So all they had to o was Kamui it for an opening and BAM. What would have been the outcome if Kakashi wasn't there, and Madara was using his Stabilized Susano'o?

Im speculating, but we all kind of are assuming how strong Kakashi will be. But considering where the manga's going, would it be so crazy if I was right?
  Posted on August 12, 2014 02:24
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Omer, his intangibility and teleportation are the same thing. What he's saying in that scene is that he can either send himself to the other dimension "slipping through the explosions" or he can try to take something with him to the other dimension "absorbing the attack". As Konan stated, to take something with him the rest of his body has to be tangible, "you have to solidify yourself before you absorb". Obito's 'teleportation' is just the act of making his whole body intangible. The issue he had with Konan's attack was that he has a 5 minute limit on staying intangible so he had limited options, a) Stay in the real world with the tags (which he realized he couldn't do on the first page of that chapter) b) Stay intangible for 5 minutes then eventually when he can't do it anymore, get blown to pieces, c) Try to 'absorb' i.e. take the tags with him to the other dimension, but then he'd just get blown up there or d) use izanagi.

I'm not really sure why this is an issue though, making his whole body intangible, or teleporting if you want to call it that, would be a fine way to avoid an 8th gate Gai for 5 minutes or whatever Kakashi's limit will be. Anyways, I agree with you on most of your post, just like clearing up the Obito vs Konan fight when I get the chance, since it took me a while to understand and it's sort of a common misconception I guess..

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Omer, his intangibility and teleportation are the same thing. What he's saying in that scene is that he can either send himself to the other dimension "slipping through the explosions" or he can try to take something with him to the other dimension "absorbing the attack". As Konan stated, to take something with him the rest of his body has to be tangible, "you have to solidify yourself before you absorb". Obito's 'teleportation' is just the act of making his whole body intangible. The issue he had with Konan's attack was that he has a 5 minute limit on staying intangible so he had limited options, a) Stay in the real world with the tags (which he realized he couldn't do on the first page of that chapter) b) Stay intangible for 5 minutes then eventually when he can't do it anymore, get blown to pieces, c) Try to 'absorb' i.e. take the tags with him to the other dimension, but then he'd just get blown up there or d) use izanagi.

I'm not really sure why this is an issue though, making his whole body intangible, or teleporting if you want to call it that, would be a fine way to avoid an 8th gate Gai for 5 minutes or whatever Kakashi's limit will be. Anyways, I agree with you on most of your post, just like clearing up the Obito vs Konan fight when I get the chance, since it took me a while to understand and it's sort of a common misconception I guess..
Obito has 3 different things that he can do.

1. The first explosion Konan gave him, he absorbed most of it. He didn't even need to travel with it.

2. He can warp himself, in which he becomes physical while doing so.

3. His intangibility. Now, hear me out. You could say this is the same as teleporting. But look on that page I linked.
a. Obito saw that he was trapped.
b. He attempted to warp himself because he knew his intangibility would not help him live from all those bombs.
c. Konan attached paper bombs.
d. Obito then realized that he could not warp, because he would solidify and get hit with another explosion that he could not warp entirely.
e. Obito stopped his warping, and became intangible. You then see the paper bombs phase through him
f. They explode and Obito comes out unscathed.

Pretty much all I'm trying to say, is that helps prove my point. He can become intangible to survive attacks that would hit his entire body. I know he is still technically teleporting, but Im saying it's different in the sense that it functions a little different then him warping himself.
  Posted on August 12, 2014 12:51
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That's a really low chance. It was the ability of his mangekyou, Kamui of the right eye. Kakashi has that eye now, so it wouldn't make sense for him not to be able to use it. When Obito got both eyes, he was able to combine the powers and open warp holes at long range.

That might be true, but you have to take into consideration that Kakashi just received the Mangekyou just now. When Kakashi got the left eye, I'm pretty sure he had to train to use Kamui. It was a pretty lengthy amount of time too. Additionally, Obito is the original owner of both Sharingans, So not all the jutsus he can perform with it Kakashi would be able to perform, or at least at his level.

I know he's not an Uchiha, but theoretically, Obito's soul being inside of him should change something about him. Let's say Kakashi got both eyes normally. Do you think he'd already be able to activate a Stabilized Susano'o? I definitely don't think so. I think Obito's soul being inside of him is powering him to be able to use it at that stage already. Kakashi didn't even have those eyes. Obito's soul went into him, and now his eye's just turned to Mangekyou's that he doesn't even have. Doesn't that kind of give you a clue, that Obito is powering him?

Well, if Obito's soul went into Kakashi, and he's giving Kakashi this power, theoretically, don't you think it should at least be the same amount of time? This is definitely not an ordinary situation. I could understand if Kakashi picked both eyes up and transplanted them, then yeah, he definitely would not be able to use it as well and already have a stabilized Susano'o. But Obito's soul went into him and just granted him this power. Do you really think Kakashi could already have Stabilized Susano'o on his own, if he had transplanted the eye? Obito is totally powering this dude.

Obito's soul is inside Kakashi? I don't think so. At the beginning of the chapter, Obito asked Rin to wait as he has to go back to the real world with an obvious purpose of giving Kakashi his Sharingan. Him asking Rin to wait means he's coming back, so I don't think his soul is permanently inside Kakashi if that's what you're trying to say. As for the reason for him being able to us PS straight away, well, we simply don't know enough of the previous chapter. Obito transferring both of his eyes through the soul thing method is just Kishi's way of making the scene straightforward and to keep the moment where Obito disintegrated since it was a pretty impactful sight to behold. I don't think it's the cause of the power-ups. Maybe he restored his chakra or something, like what Dan did to Tsunade. PS could just be a technique he copied, after all, only those with EMS can use it and we clearly have seen that Kakashi only activated MS. I don't think he turned his Sharingan into EMS either at the end of the chapter since that would be impossible unless Kakashi originally is an Uchiha with his own Sharingan. Sigh, This is why I hate ass-pull techniques.

Also I know Gai's 8th Gate lasts longer than 5 minutes, but that's why I said Kakashi could activate Stabilized Susano'o when that times up. And then possible go back into intangibility

And how can you make sure that even his PS can defend him from Gai's Midnight Elephant or Night Moth? Both techniques are one of if not the most destructive attack ever shown in the series, not to mention un-evadable. You see, there's a problem here if Kakashi want to stay intangible. Gai is too fast to the point that Gaara and Kakashi can't even follow his movements when he was attacking Madara, having said that, how is Kakashi meant to know what body part of his is Gai after? How is he even meant to activate his intangibility first hand if the distance here is 1m. The time he realize that he had to stay intangible, he's already dead. Remember, Information still had to travel through our brains. Kakashi won't have the instinct to stay intangible. He need to have a reason and he needs to process it before he makes a move.

This is not true. Many times, Obito has entirely phased through objects that are larger than himself. Against Torune and Fu, he phased in and out of the floor. If he can completely phase through the floor, if that whole bridge was picked up and thrown at him, he could phase right through it and the bridge would be thrown past him.

Against Konan. HERE, he tried to fully teleport himself. But Konan wouldn't allow that. So he had to become intangible. If killing him was that easy, she could have just still made the paper bomb explode, and Obito supposedly wouldn't be able to avoid it becuase he was have to to a full body intangibility in which you consider it warping, in which it would kill him because he would solidify in that case.

Anyhow, notice HERE, he states that he slipped through the explosions. This alone proves that teleporting and a full body intangibility aren't the same thing. Because he tried to teleport, realized he couldn't, and then use intangibility to escape.

There seems to be a massive misunderstanding here. First of all, Intangibility and Teleporting in Obito's case is exactly the same thing. When you said Intangible, I simply am thinking that you mean only part of the body getting teleported to the other dimension. They cleared this up in one of the chapter which I can't be bothered to look for.

On your Konan's link, he didn't try to teleport himself. He tried to absorb the explosion but he couldn't since it's too slow so he slipped through it. He said it on your second link. And like I said before, intangibility is simply a small part teleportation. He's warping that certain part of his body to another dimension without actually detaching it from his body.

There's no such thing as full body intangibility. That means him warping his whole self to the other dimension..


Finally found the link. Was easier to find than I thought because of the title of the chapter.
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