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  Posted on July 26, 2014 06:22
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I didn't read it all except that lost post of hebi at the start.

Actually , let's talk on facts , no historians have written about Israel being attacked by the other Muslims country at their time of independence. Okay , let me admit that it happened. 6000 Israelites came to live at first , ARE YOU TELLING ME 6000 DEFEATED MILLIONS , k makes no sense.

I don't want to hear this bullshit all over again , that ' THE ACTS HAPPENING ARE JUST DEFENSE ' makes no sense again , only 1 Israelite have been killed while 500+ citizens of gaza are killed.

I will tomorrow post the video of Vice President of Israel.
In which he said ' They are preferring more deaths of the citizens of gaza ' it was in a welcoming meeting of Hillary Clinton.

It hurts to see and hear people supporting Israel while they are wrong in place.
About HAMAS I would like you to know , their acts are just cuz they are the ones defending.

You are ridiculously delusional if you haven't heard of Israel's independence war.
All you have to do is Google it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine <-- (Israel)

I'm not sure where you get your numbers thinking that there were only 6000 Jews, but yeah, they were extremely out numbered and still WON.

Actually Israeli casualties are over 40+ now but yeah you're right the numbers aren't even close. You ask how can this be self defense? The numbers aren't close.

If a terrorist organization starts shooting rockets at your country a few hundred per day that have the range to hit anywhere up to 80% of Israel.. do you just ignore it?
Tell me what country in the world would just ignore getting shot at?

So the numbers aren't looking good for the Palestinians.. how about not starting a war with a much stronger country than yourself. Do you want Israel to apologize for taking care of it's citizens better?. For the war to end all Hamas has to do is stop shooting,

Do you even know the purpose of the ground invasion? It's purposely for less civilian casualties. Why on earth should Israel be obligated to risk their own soldier's lives instead of just constantly hitting Gaza with air strikes? Because they are not the bad guys an they are willing to sacrifice for the greater good.

About HAMAS I would like you to know , their acts are just cuz they are the ones defending.

Please actually do some research before trying to debate a serious topic like this. It's one of Hamas's goals in life not just to wipe out Israel but Jews worldwide. Don't tell me they're just defending when they started the war. IF THEY ARE JUST DEFENDING THEN WHY NOT SIGN ANY OF THE 3 CEASE FIRES?
  Posted on July 26, 2014 07:39
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I'd just like to add to the post above me that another important reason for the ground invasion is to destroy the underground tunnels of the Hamas.

The Hamas has built dozens of underground tunnels that lead to Israel.
A few days ago, there has been an attempt of a bunch of terrorists to invade the Kibbutz "Kerem Shalom" and massacre its citizens.
Those tunnels are very dangerous because their start is in Gaza, and the end could be anywhere in Israel.
It could lead to a kindergarten, to a university, and what not, leading to a massacre of our innocent citizens.

Not only those tunnels are used to lead to attacks within Israel, they are also used to smuggle weapons.
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  Posted on July 28, 2014 15:37
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152160406710216&set=vb.613525215&type=2&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152160406710216&set=vb.613525215&type=2&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152160406710216&set=vb.613525215&type=2&theater

This was one of the kids killed by Israel for playing on the beach the other week.

Who is at fault world?
  Posted on July 30, 2014 13:38
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Israel is just going in too much man, Hamas doesnt even have anything to respond back with, but Israel keeps killing innocent ppl, then blaming it on Hamas.

If it's Hamas' fault, then sneak into Gaza and track them down or some shit, don't fuckin' bomb the whole country, just a pathetic excuse to wipe off as much ppl as they can.

I'm just surprised for how long big Muslim countries stayed quiet while Palestine was bombeb, but now most of them are up, Iran started funding Hamas, Turkey is calling out Israel, while UAE are donating all kinds of millions.

Hamas finna fire back strong now and I hope they wipe out as much as they can of those Jew fgts.

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  Posted on July 30, 2014 13:49
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Israel is just going in too much man, Hamas doesnt even have anything to respond back with, but Israel keeps killing innocent ppl, then blaming it on Hamas.

If it's Hamas' fault, then sneak into Gaza and track them down or some shit, don't fuckin' bomb the whole country, just a pathetic excuse to wipe off as much ppl as they can.

I'm just surprised for how long big Muslim countries stayed quiet while Palestine was bombeb, but now most of them are up, Iran started funding Hamas, Turkey is calling out Israel, while UAE are donating all kinds of millions.

Hamas finna fire back strong now and I hope they kill as much as they can of those Jew fgts.
Going in too much?
Did you know that there were a bunch of humanitarian cease-fire declarations, in which the Hamas kept shooting missiles towards Israel ?
Sneak into Gaza and tracking them down is easy to say, but just remmeber how hard it was to track Bin Laden down.
Its the same case here. They are all hiding. Instead we are bombing their houses.

Also, just attacking a bunch of Hamas members isn't the only thing that needs to be done.
We need to completelly destroy all their weapons arsenal and destroy their trump card, which is also the most dangerous thing they got - their tunnels.
As I already said before on this topic, those tunnels are dangerous because they can lead a bunch of terrorists to Israeli cities, and that can cause a massive massacre.

Don't try to act humane and feel bad for the Palestinians when you wish death for the Jews, that just makes you biased.
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  Posted on July 31, 2014 18:15
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I'm very impressed with how you guys are answering. Thanks to the first guy for posting that whole summary. I think today Israel launched a ground attack so hopefully the air strikes should stop some. It kind of breaks my heart that there is so much biased reporting and bashing Israel over this conflict, but I don't know why they'd risk their soldiers lives in exchange for the human shields that Hamas is using. Would play right into Hamas's hands.

I find Hamas's actions completely deplorable. Hiding weapon depots in schools, mosques, hospitals. The Israeli iron dome uses technology to save its citizens, while Hamas using its citizens to save its weapons. I wish the innocent people in Gaza could just stand up and move away from these places so there are less casualties. It's a tricky situation to support Israel in, but I think I support them fully on this. I have seen so many fake videos and pictures of children killed by HAMAS, and saying that an Israeli bullet or missile killed it...sickens me so much to see dead children extorted like that.

Yes, Israel had smaller borders prior I think until they were invaded and pushed the invaders back and gained those lands. If people stopped attacking Israel, perhaps there could be some peace. I just hope that it will be resolved quickly.

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You should also know that there's a lot of Gaza civilians against Hamas too.
Hamas is brutal and kills them to a degree of evil.


Video
**Warning this is a graphic video^** These Gaza civilians were beaten to death by Hamas on suspicion of helping Israel

Correction - That video is of people who got Israel's warnings to leave the area since it was going to be bombed. Hamas caught them, beat them so bad that they couldn't leave.

They did this to then take photos of more casualties which will then be blamed on Israel.
  Posted on August 1, 2014 10:10
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israel starts all this killing instant ppl from gaza and bombing mosque's and what not
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  Posted on August 1, 2014 10:13
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israel starts all this killing instant ppl from gaza and bombing mosque's and what not
So your plan is to just throw up random statements that don't really reveal much about the situation?
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nah it says whos at fault? but what can gaza do to protect themselves america has jews back, egypt are closing the border so no ppl can get through and saudi arent doing shit. meanwhile jews just wanna wipe the muslims out. they are literally being kicked out of their houses. and being bombed. and gaza cant do anything but watch. dont you see on the news how jews are destroys mosques and houses and bominb others shit.
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  Posted on August 1, 2014 10:24
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xdjlee11 wrote:
israel starts all this killing instant ppl from gaza and bombing mosque's and what not
So your plan is to just throw up random statements that don't really reveal much about the situation?
Don't defend your country man even you see it that it's causing a lot of trouble. So many deaths may God have mercy on You.
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  Posted on August 1, 2014 10:26
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nah it says whos at fault? but what can gaza do to protect themselves america has jews back, egypt are closing the border so no ppl can get through and saudi arent doing shit. meanwhile jews just wanna wipe the muslims out. they are literally being kicked out of their houses. and being bombed. and gaza cant do anything but watch. dont you see on the news how jews are destroys mosques and houses and bominb others shit.
Don't YOU see on the news that the Hamas organization, which is currently ruling Gaza, is the one who started throwing missiles?
Don't you see that despite the many cease-fires we declared, the Hamas organization just uses those to get more missiles and keeps violating those by attacking?

As stated in Les' posts and my own previous posts, Israel has absolutelly no reason to just randomly do that.
The Hamas organization is hiding weapons under public buildings.
Here is a video showing weapons found in a Mosque in Gaza strip. There are also tunnel openings found in that video.
Those tunnels that are used to smuggle weapons into the Gaza strip, and are also used by the Hamas' terrorists to infilitrate Israel.

Clearly those buildings are being attacked in order to destroy the Hamas' arsenal of weapons, and to destroy their dangerous tunnels, in order to assure safety for the Israeli citizens (after all, a country's no. 1 priority is to assure its citizens' safety).

The Jews wanna wipe the Muslims out? Maybe the radicalists do. But you can't really say that Israel's policy is based on the few radicalists in the society, can you?
You also can't forget that the radicalist Muslims want to wipe out the Jews as well.

There are radicalists in every society. That doesn't mean they are supported by the masses or have power in the government.
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  Posted on August 1, 2014 10:28
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Hamas is demanding an immediate end to Israel's and Egypt's economic siege of the Gaza Strip.
He doesn't want to wipeout the JEWS, because in Israel there are Christians, Muslims and Jews.
He seeks INDIPENDANCE.

And we all know that without revolutions people don't get anything.
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  Posted on August 1, 2014 10:33
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if they had weapons they would attaCk the jews. but gaZa is innocent ppl who are being attacked. your just tryin to defend your people. you know whats going on. there are videos everywhere
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Hamas is demanding an immediate end to Israel's and Egypt's economic siege of the Gaza Strip.
He doesn't want to wipeout the JEWS, because in Israel there are Christians, Muslims and Jews.
He seeks INDIPENDANCE.

And we all know that without revolutions people don't get anything.
Economic siege?
Look what they've done with all the donations they got from all around the world.
Instead of building houses, schools, and managing their country properly, they invested all their money in means to use against Israel.
Every tunnel costs them about 1 million USD. They created DOZENS of tunnels just to smuggle weapons and infilitrate Israel.

Video about the tunnels' cost.

Wouldn't it be just better for them if they invested all this money in something positive instead of a "revolution"?

Also, not to mention blaming Israel on the economic state in Gaza would be extremely ironic, since we are the one who provide them with water and electricity, not to mention building materials.
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if they had weapons they would attaCk the jews. but gaZa is innocent ppl who are being attacked. your just tryin to defend your people. you know whats going on. there are videos everywhere
If they had weapons they would attack the Jews?
This post is just extremely incorrect.
You can simply look up about how many rockets the Hamas has been shooting over Israel over the past years, and witness the truth.
I myself have heard the siren sounds warning from missiles aiming at my area at least 2 times a day since the start of this war, and I don't even leave nearby Gaza!

Let me show you a witness of the many attacks during the past years.
Lives of a nearby-gaza strip Israeli citizen.
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if they had weapons they would attaCk the jews. but gaZa is innocent ppl who are being attacked. your just tryin to defend your people. you know whats going on. there are videos everywhere
^ It's true + almost everybody I know from real life agrees. No point defending. .:oh
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