So, NA, if you could vote in the presidential election.. - Page 4

That's the kind of thinking that separates people in this country, you see a place you don't think you should care about, I see a place where people were oppressed and killed by a dictator that, thanks to the U.S. intervention, is now gone. The country is now our responsiblility and leaving only endangers the people we went in to help. Look at the Korean War, follow that example of staying for however long we are needed and the country will be safe; hell we'd have UN support if not for the French and their fukin veto power in the UN security council

But the thing is.... Dead I mention the whole we haven't really done anything in Iraq thing? =P When they held their only elections, they essentially elected the same people we had just taken care of.

Really? The people they elect have yet to oppress or kill them to stay in power, they have yet to kill thousands from poisonous gas. Why not tell me exactly how they've elected more Hussains?

What have we accomplished? Bringin democracy to a country ruled by one man and his ambitions to stay in power and who killed anyone who tried to oppose that

What would have been better? Stayin out and lettin more people die? Is that what you would rather see?

Well, you've got me there.
But if we have already done all that then we don't really need to be there, particularly not now.

I see it like this: the problem with Lebanon is, the Southern half of their country is ruled by Hezbollah, a terrorist faction against Israel completely, there was a war a couple years ago that was all over the news if you remember

That could very well happen to Iraq since it's basically bein reborn as a new country out of the ashes of Hussains old regime. al-Qaeda could find a place among the leaders in the country and they will have another base of operations, as could any other terrorist organization, namely ones against Israel, our ally

Sumthin else to remember is that Iran is a big enemy of Iraq, who knows what they may do should Iraq be left unprotected, or any other neighboring country that may have their eyes set on land or oil

In short, pulling out now leaves Iraq helpless to any number of possible enemies we wouldn't want to take over

I still stand by the whole it's not the problem of a country that is hundreds of billions of dollars in debt to take care of it thing.
But we clearly won't change each others opinions.

Of course, the war in Iraq is only forcing our gas prices up in the first place.

Which brings us to another thing Clinton and Mcain are both planning on doing wrong... A gas tax holiday would only make gas prices go up in the long run.

The war in Iraq as I mentioned may be hard to keep good spirits about, but it's only hurting us in the SHORT TERM. We can recover from the small amount of damage that the war in Iraq grants us. But if we leave then the damage could be too seismic for us to recover from.

I'm fully for the gas tax holiday, it won't hurt us in the long term IMO because once we take off some prices, that will give us an upward momentum. It will encourage people to look forward if anything, which is always a plus.