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  Posted on February 25, 2016 17:42
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Young Kakashi
Low costs, high piercing damage that also has side effect, and skill that enables you to furthermore boost your abilities or deny the drain/steal chakra effect. Mostly because of what YK brings to the table with such low costs, he could be put in most of the teams and do pretty much fine.Up to 35 damage with specific and great 1v1 potential are what makes young kakashi a beastly character. Not only that but ability to reduce damage and even copy stuns or make characters with drain unusable. The only thing he lacks is any self defense, which kinda doesnt allow him to be put in those higher up ranks.
Rank:A-

Obito
He does have some ok defense in his kit, but it takes a prep, and besides without having the prep on, he is mostly useless. HIs 25 piercing damage is ok for its cost, but it feels like YK does his job even better without having to wait one turn to prep. Sadly in the meta we are at right now, Obito just doesn't have his place in higher ranks. He gets outclassed by many other champions and is really slow for what he is supposed to do. There is no reason to pick Obito in your team when so many more characters do the same thing, just faster and more consistent.
Rank:C+

Rin
Once a go to Gen character when you needed some defense in your team is pretty much another forgotten character these days. Not only is her damage non-reliable because it no longer is stealthed, but her damage output isnt that great. In case enemy knows who she put the damage on most she can get out of it is 15 piercing damage for a gen with a one turn delay. Yes, she has healing ability but even that gets outclassed. If you are picking Champion for healing with some offense for cheap costs, sakura S/Shizune are just miles ahead of rin. In the meta with so many things that reduce damage reduction or so many spike characters, Rin just feel off super hard.
Rank:C+
  Posted on February 25, 2016 18:26
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#122
Update time! Changes are as follow:


Unranked -> A-


Unranked -> C+


Unranked -> C

Hooray, finally done with the starter characters.

- Next discussion points:

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Happy posting folks.
  Posted on February 25, 2016 18:48
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C
As a tai character, basically anyone else is better than Hanabi. Her damage is low and her effects are pretty situational. Using her prep is pretty much mandatory, but then she can deal some good DoT for just a random. Still, she'll have a hard time breaking through many characters with damage reduction, particularly the starters. And in terms of team support, her effects generally aren't worth the teamslot. She's good for some chip damage, I guess.

B+
Honestly, I really like this character. He's underrated. His damage starts off low but stacks easily, his main attack is uncounterable, and he can deal some DoT while ignoring stuns and removing the main weakness of his first skill. His shortcomings would be that his DoT can be a little awkward due to its cost and his counter is too situational, but at least it only costs a random.

C+
I don't get this guy. His skills are all over the place. His main skill is his Quicksand Waterfall, which is a long AoE DoT skill, but its defensive effect is pretty niche and can't be taken advantage of by a lot of characters. His second skill can slow his opponents down, but getting the alternate skill off is hard, and his first skill is okay for a DoT skill. I guess if you're gonna use him, use him for that AoE, but there's still a lot of competition for that, and other characters are usually gonna be better choices regarding his other skills.

B+
Oboro is like Kiba, where he can make some game-changing moves, but is pretty lackluster outside of it. While Kiba had a good default skill, Oboro's Haze Clones is better than Double Wolf, because of its defense, its equal, if not greater damage output, plus stun, and its cheaper activation cost. His weaknesses would be his low damage without the ability to work around it, but I'd say the AoE support is worth it.
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  Posted on February 25, 2016 20:18
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#124

Hanabi is a joke character before anything else. She can't compete with others tai users, period, and while her prep is pretty nice it only makes her go from bad to mediocre. As an anti-stun/drain character she also doesn't really pan out too well as her skills rely on the enemy's actions all too much, making it easy to get around. Overall you're only going to use Hanabi as a filler ( and a bad one at that, mind you) that can deal some pretty spammable DoT skills under the right circunstances ( prep'ed ).
Moves to C- ( perhaps D)


Honestly one of my favourite characters and really fun to use, Drunken Lee is a pretty solid package with immunity to pretty much anything except damage due to his Drunken Fist skill, which is easy to come by for costing only random chakra. Unpredictable Assault is kind of low on the damage department at 1st, but as the game goes on it can get incredibly powerful, plus his counter can come in handy in a pinch; guarding nicely against characters like Temari who just love to spam AoE skills that, fortunately, are usually all physical classed. The one thing bringing him down is the fact that he can't really do much to support his team outside of a severely limited counter.
Moves to B+


I'll edit this post with the other two later.
  Posted on February 25, 2016 22:27
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#125
great work man.

you should make a post rating also the meta teams and teams that other people suggest

anyway it's great to see a post like that, helping me a lot atm!
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  Posted on February 26, 2016 05:07
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#126
Hanabi -- I'm surprised to see such low ratings for Hanabi, because I find using her to be really efficient. Her third skill makes her for me, plus being able to debilitate your opponents characters and force them to use moves around the gimmicks you're going for work well in my opinion. Of course there's the few turns where she doesn't perform at her hottest between the skill's use and cooldown, but I think she's still viable as a character.

C+ imo.

Drunk Lee -- FUN as hell to use. His skills all just feel right when you stack them all up together. He doesn't get stiff armed by too much and can bring a lot to the table as a solo package. Develops over time and can be a huge threat to the opponent if used properly. If used badly, well, he's mediocre at best, but still has his perks.

B+, easy.

Gaara Rehab. -- I've tried hard to integrate him into teams and they always end up being subpar. He's got such a weird, well-rounded kit [outside of no stuns], but has no one reliable to help him out. Using him just feels wrong for a multitude of the characters, which leaves him with a very strange, minor role if used whatsoever.

Now, if you get lucky a'f, he's great. But if not, eh. C-.

Oboro -- Just about agreed with Lux. Oboro's well rounded with his prep activated, but just feels meh without it. Sure, he's usable without it for a bit, but with, he's a totally different kind of threat. His abilities can wear down at just about any team and make for something of a game changer if executed properly. Sometimes hard to start up, like Kiba, but well met if he's going.

B+.

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  Posted on February 26, 2016 07:19
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#127

Weird character to be honest. Rehab Gaara is that dude who tries to do too much at the same time and fails miserably in doing so; his skillset is just all over the place. There's really no real niche for this guy --- the premise of stacking up high amounts of destructible defense looks nice on paper, but there aren't many character that can make effective use of such effect, and the few ones that do usually have their skills' costs clashing with Gaara's. His AoE is also more difficult to pull off than it should be imo, just to add insult to the injury.
Moves to C-



For starters the very fact he's a pure-genjutsu user is a plus, it means he's easy to splash around in a variety of teams. Pretty straight foward in what he's supposed to do: Prep + AoE + ???? = Profit. The thing with Oboro is that he's extremely vulnerable once his prep wears off and also doesn't offer much utility for his team without it -- so prepping him whenever you get the chance to is nearly always a must. The thing stopping me from ranking him any higher is exactly his over reliance on 'Haze Clones', which isn't a bad thing per say, but isn't exactly good either.
Moves to B+


WE__THE__BEST wrote:
great work man.

you should make a post rating also the meta teams and teams that other people suggest

anyway it's great to see a post like that, helping me a lot atm!

I've got my hands full with this topic alone, so I don't think I'll be doing that but thanks!
  Posted on February 26, 2016 10:49
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#128


Like Meliodas, i think Hanabi is a decent character. She can ignore stuns when she isn't being killed. She is also useful with two of her skills that can make an enemy stun or lose chakra. She can also collaborate with other characters. She just needs more damage.
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I will edit again with other 3 characters.
  Posted on February 26, 2016 18:02
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#129
Updating within a couple of hours.
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I'd be great if atleast one more person left their input in the meantime btw

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  Posted on February 26, 2016 20:42
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#130
So, I will change things up a bit; from now on instead of updating this topic daily I'll be updating it only after atleast 5 or 4 people have left their rankings here. The reason for this is to avoid inaccuracies amongst the rankings, and thus updates from here on out might happen in less than a day, or more than a week; it depends of how much feedback this topic gets.

Also, I figured the lenght of some posts, plus the rules here, might be scaring some people off but I assure you, all you have to do is post where you thing X character should be ranked + how do you feel about said character, that simple. As long as it is sensible enough you don't need to write entire walls of text. One single sentence can say a lot if well constructed and thought out.

Anyways, without further ado: update time and the changes are as follows:


Unranked -> C


Unranked -> B+


Unranked -> C-


Unranked -> B+


- Next discussion points:

9th Character Slate



Happy posting folks.
  Posted on February 26, 2016 22:51
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#131
Shigure: C-
Not a lot of people will agree but imho Shigure is useless. His only useful move is the 15 dmg AoE, but there's no reason to use him over other AoE characters. His other moves are just bad.

Yoroi: S
I mean come on. This dude is OP as hell. Steals your health, steals your chakra, buffs his damage for two turns and reduces your damage for two turns. That can be done in one move for a tai and random. I don't think I need to explain why S, he's cancer.

Misumi: B+
Misumi is a unique character, his best skill is (duh) the reflecting one, but of course it has long cooldown to balance it, that skill is very good, and it can be cancelled by only a few characters (Kimimaro, Sakura (S), Kakashi (S) etc.). He's also slowly building a DD so having him on 1v1 can be cancer. My only problem with him would be the cooldown of his move, but I don't think he needs a change
  Posted on February 26, 2016 23:03
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#132
Shigure D

He's boring. His skills require a prep. And his attacks have nothing about them that makes them unique enough that he would earn a spot on any team that couldn't be filled by another random user better.

Yoroi the God, aka Mr. 100hp

S rank easily. Read dawee post about it.

Misumi B+/A-

after being changed to a random user his utility sky rocketed. He is hard to damage, he gives off very easy to land stuns, he will win 90% of his 1v1s. No real reason not to love this guy other than he is a slow kill. He needs real damage to back him up in a team, or he needs a lot of free time to do it.


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  Posted on February 26, 2016 23:06
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#133
dawee59 wrote:
Shigure: C+

I need to ask: If you think Shigure is such an useless character, then why place him with characters like Kin and Obito, that in my eyes are actually fairly usable in the right teams. According with what you said, I'd think C+ is being far too generous.

Just something for you to think about.
  Posted on February 27, 2016 06:00
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#134
sanin-orochi wrote:
dawee59 wrote:
Shigure: C+

I need to ask: If you think Shigure is such an useless character, then why place him with characters like Kin and Obito, that in my eyes are actually fairly usable in the right teams. According with what you said, I'd think C+ is being far too generous.

Just something for you to think about.

Thanks for pointing that out, I wanted to give him a C- but I mistyped it on my phone. (If it weren't for the shower AoE move, he would be F for me)
  Posted on February 27, 2016 10:09
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Arguably the most mediocre AoE character in the game, Shigure just doesn't manage to impress at all. His only somewhat redeeming point is indeed his cheap AoE like dawee59 mentioned, but even that requires a prep. I guess Senbon Barrage could be almost useful if you're getting majorly chakra fucked, but 4 chakra for 'just' 60 damage while even requiring a prep, it's just not worth it. No matter how cool I think his counter system is, Shigure is just bad all-around.
Moves to D


Drain, Drain, Drain, Drain; Yoroi is the very epitome of it. He's gonna steal your health, steal your chakra and, if you're not careful enough, he's also going to steal any chance you might've had at winning. A major nuisance & incredibly disruptive towards any team that is unfortunate enough to be matched up against him.
Moves to S, easily.


It took a while, but people have finally realized what a beast this character has turned out to be after becoming a full random chakra user. Soft Physique Modification is the lynchpin of Misumi's skillset for sure, if it connects with an enemy there's really almost nothing you can do about it -- only a handful amount of characters are effectively able to handle it. Buuuut, because life is not a bed of roses, Misumi also isn't perfect; low damage and high cooldowns severely handicaps him once Soft Physique Modification wears off or is interrupted somehow
Moves to A-
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