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 Topic: The Altar [ READ POST #130 and #137]
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  Posted on February 22, 2016 18:25
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For what it's worth, if I had the opportunity to vote at the time, I would've pushed for an S-rank on Sakura as well.

yes but it won't be 100% ballanced anyways, even if we put tenten and sakura in A it won't be balanced and even if we put Sakura in S rank we should put Minato Oro Tsume Kakashi (S) Itachi Kushina etc. in rank S too so it's unballanced towards Sakura being up against those S rank monster chars, Minato forever inv, Tsume whole team inv etc. So if we think to make it 100% ballanced its wrong we can still put sakura and tenten in same A class but tenten is not as good as sakura.
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  Posted on February 22, 2016 19:45
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senpai wrote:
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Tenten
Seeing as to how Sakura was placed in A+, i dont think TenTen is in same class as sakura is, so highest i could go with her is A.

I dont think this is a fair comparison, tbh. They're entirely different characters, with different strong points and weaknessess. 1010 is one of the go-to characters if you want to play AoE, a style she's extremely good at, and on that regard she is equal, if not better than Sakura. Sure, Sakura counters 1010 hard, but just because a character from the same or a lower tier is capable of dealing with X character, it does not specifically mean X is any less viable.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.
Yes i do understand what you are trying to say, but i don't think you got my point. Sakura is probably one of the the top 5/10 characters in the game currently with little to no weakness. The only weakness Sakura has would be stunning her in the turn that her prep is gone and maybe the fact that she has no piercing damage, but still she does have 30+stun for a specific, while TenTen has a lot of weaknesses, such as having no defense vs mental/affliction skills, not having piercing damage and being easily stunlocked because she has the same class on all of her skills, while sakura for example has 3 different ones. I don't think it's fair to put them in the same rank, but i guess thats just my point of view.

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Fennekin wrote:
For what it's worth, if I had the opportunity to vote at the time, I would've pushed for an S-rank on Sakura as well.

yes but it won't be 100% ballanced anyways, even if we put tenten and sakura in A it won't be balanced and even if we put Sakura in S rank we should put Minato Oro Tsume Kakashi (S) Itachi Kushina etc. in rank S too so it's unballanced towards Sakura being up against those S rank monster chars, Minato forever inv, Tsume whole team inv etc. So if we think to make it 100% ballanced its wrong we can still put sakura and tenten in same A class but tenten is not as good as sakura.

Well guys, what I can do is create +/- subranks for S as well, thus even if multiple characters are top-tier we can still set the best of the best apart. This would diversify them a little bit more and also mitigate the issue that Tems just addressed. Wouldn't actually fix it, but would atleast band-aid it.

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For what it's worth, if I had the opportunity to vote at the time, I would've pushed for an S-rank on Sakura as well.
I can always put her up for discussion again and right now I'm leaning towards doing exactly that, seeing as people are constantly bringing her ranking up as an issue.


Anyways, I'll update everything in a bit.
  Posted on February 22, 2016 20:21
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Update time and changes are as follow:


Unranked -> A


Unranked -> B



Unranked -> A+

Ok so, I personally felt like pushing TenTen for the S-rank; I was clearly on the minority but most of us still felt she was deserving of atleast A-rank. Many of you have argued that Tenten shouldn't be placed at A+ because that's where Sakura is placed under; now, while I do not agree with this comparison and personally think it's unfair for both characters, the main issue here is clearly Sakura's positioning. The way I see it, the problem is that Sakura was ranked lower than many of you claim she should have been, as opposed to Tenten being ranked far too high.

With that said, I'll put up Sakura for discussion again as soon as we're done deciding if the S-rank should have subranks of its own as I've proposed in my earlier post, until then things will remain as they currently are and I hope you all find this reasonable enough.


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  Posted on February 22, 2016 20:34
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Gaara
Oh boy. This dude has been a tank forever. He is one of few champions in this game with the ability to instakill the target. Not only that but his defense is one of the best in the game. The new skill that he got recently just made him worse. Now you must destroy the DD before actually stopping his instakill.
Gaara excels in all areas. He is character that can have teams built around him, he works with any characters, has super strong defense and can solo enemy team with good chakra.
Rank: S

Kankuro
Extremely underrated character. Not only does he have really good defense, but his offense is nothing to be laughed at. He has a nice Affliction aoe, and piercing damage, which both cost a random. The only thing about Kankuro that i don't like is the fact of how slow he is to get going, because usually you want to have at least one prep all the time up to boost his damage. Nothing else to say, he is pretty balance character overall.
Rank:B+/A-

Temari
God of clutches. Probably Akatstobi-san's favorite character . Jokes aside. Temari is another character that is well rounded. She has good defense with being able to go invulnerable almost every turn, and her aoe does a lot of damage with pretty short cooldown. If you get extra money to spare, you can even hit up the Double Nin move and make your entire team invulnerable which can turn the game around. The only thing she doesn't have is piercing damage aswell as class variety, which prevents her from being placed higher up. Still one of best Nin starters.
Rank:B+
  Posted on February 22, 2016 21:30
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Gaara, Gaara, Gaara; ever so problematic -- he's literally the culminating point of offensive and defensive pressure, and it's that very combination that makes him so threatening to literally everyone whose team doesn't pack a mental stun plus high damaging or spammable cheap skills to get rid of his insane destructible defense as fast as possible. Basically, he's very "I see you, I kill you and nobody is stopping me". If I had to point out a flaw, I'd say is how slow he is early game, which is the time he's the most vulnerable and requires team support to build up his own defenses.
Moves to S


Undersold character for sure; high piercing damage, AoE affliction damage and Destructible Defense for an substantial increase of survivability; Kankuro is a good character all around, the one thing bringing him down, though, is that his skill are either costly ( 30 piercing damage is nice, but for 2 random chakra, sometimes you reconsider even using it ) or have a nice range but aren't spammable ( his cheapest skill costs 1 random, which is nice, but it also has one turn of cooldown which slows Kankuro down a lot imo). His prep is also pretty nice, but once again, the improvements granted by it aren't anything to brag about, either. All In all, he's a good option if you can't afford to have any other specific chakra user on your team.
Moves to B+


One hell of a scary character. Usually firing off her AoE early in the match gives your team an enormous advantage, and that is without a doubt Temari's selling point. That one skill of hers is a game changer; in one turn you might be in a desperate 1x3 situation with her, and the suddently turn tables and get into an more favourable 1x1 situation -- if not outright win the game. Additionally, she offers incredible support for her team and herself with her Shield Dust and Cutting Whirlwind respectively. Despite all this, her downfall is how predictable she is thus making her easily counter baited, so you can't just spam her moves without a second thought.
Moves to A-
  Posted on February 22, 2016 22:43
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S
Every player and every team MUST have a way to defeat Gaara, whether by having direct counters or by having a workable strategy. He can put up big defense and his only attack is a one-hit kill that can't be countered if it's pulled off. It's not the easiest character, and he can't exactly fit onto every team ever, but there's no other character like Gaara. He is, and will likely remain forever, as the most fucked up character in N-A.

B+
A decent character all around; Kankuro is extremely flexible by having a good damage output while requiring only random chakra; but the reason why I won't put him in the A-tier is because he's more-or-less a filler character for your team. It's unlikely that Kankuro will clutch a match or be a dominant force, he's just someone who's there to fill a damage output without clashing with your team. Plus, his skills are just "deal damage or get defense", there's not much of a strategy to his character, just prep him a little bit. Still, these aren't exactly bad traits, Kankuro is still a good character.

A-
The best nin-exclusive character not named Gaara and perhaps the best AoE character, Temari is easy to use, easy to fit, and sometimes hard to handle. Without any preparation, she can fire off a high amount of AoE damage with only a small cooldown, and beyond that she can defend herself easily or defend her teammates if she can afford to. Honestly, I'd kinda like to put her higher, but her Cutting Whirlwind leaves much to be desired in the damage department; getting the invulnerability is kinda nice, but will it accomplish much at the end of the day? Especially with all the defensive skills in the game? Her Dust Wind is a decent emergency skill, but its high cost makes it a little bit inaccessible which is hardly justified by its second effect, and her AoE makes her a magnet for counters. Temari isn't the dream that people might want, but she at least holds her own with what she wields.
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  Posted on February 23, 2016 05:45
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Gaara needs no explanation. He's been banned in almost every war since some cowards made banned combos. He is absolutely a focus in any team at any time. You either can stop him or you lose to him. That's about it.

S rank easily

Kankuro. As far as random users go he seems really unimpressive. However with the correct set up he can go off with affliction and surprising spike damage. He will quietly do 40/50 damage alone if not checked and he can get really tanky worth the free DD. however, he just doesn't really got in this meta because shizune or Chico can easily take his spot for utility, and 4tails/izumo for random users who deal spike.

B -

temari. Consistent damage. Hard to actually kill. Free 35 aoe. Not to mention dust wall. One of the most annoying skills in the game. One of the more dominant solid blue users. And easy to use. Downfalls are she only uses blue for everything, so she's completely hogging the nin slot which is strong. And she does flat damage so she can be negated by dr/DD.

Still a solid A rank.


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  Posted on February 23, 2016 16:29
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Gaara was always overpowered and broken asf and will always be, Mental stuns was option to stop him but now its even harder to do it with mental stunners cause of his 3rd skill and great defense.

S

Kankuro is good char but not really good to fit in teams, if u put him in any team for u need other 2 chars to use double of chakra's colour and team will be heavy as fuck then. for example if u use Itachi and Neji u'd rather to use shizune/chiyo than Kankuro cause he also needs prep to be boosted.

B

Temari is very good char but has no piercing damage, its only reason she can't be rank S otherwise she would most annoying char if her skills dealt piercing damage.

A
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  Posted on February 23, 2016 17:15
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You know guys, it'd be nice to know what you guys think about creating +/- subranks for S. Just an yay or nay would suffice lol
  Posted on February 23, 2016 17:16
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Nah, just keep it S-rank. A/B/C ranks are the only ones in need of sub-ranks.
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  Posted on February 23, 2016 17:18
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Nah, just keep it S-rank. A/B/C ranks are the only ones in need of sub-ranks.
This, there's really no need for sub-ranks for S.
  Posted on February 23, 2016 17:18
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S - Rank - Characters that were optimized last batch that were made to be strong, but then the admins took a break

A - Rank - Characters that were optimized the batch before that still need to be nerfed

B - Rank - Characters that got the nerf they needed

C - Rank - Characters designed to fit a niche that doesn't really exist

D - Rank - Oreach characters made to the best of his ability

F - Rank - The other 99% of oreach characters
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  Posted on February 23, 2016 17:19
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S - Rank - Characters that were optimized last batch that were made to be strong, but then the admins took a break

A - Rank - Characters that were optimized the batch before that still need to be nerfed

B - Rank - Characters that got the nerf they needed

C - Rank - Characters designed to fit a niche that doesn't really exist

D - Rank - Oreach characters made to the best of his ability

F - Rank - The other 99% of oreach characters
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  Posted on February 23, 2016 17:32
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#104
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S - Rank - Characters that were optimized last batch that were made to be strong, but then the admins took a break

A - Rank - Characters that were optimized the batch before that still need to be nerfed

B - Rank - Characters that got the nerf they needed

C - Rank - Characters designed to fit a niche that doesn't really exist

D - Rank - Oreach characters made to the best of his ability

F - Rank - The other 99% of oreach characters
Lies, Gaara has been broken since day 1. But yeah lol
  Posted on February 23, 2016 18:33
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#105
Update time and changes are as follow:


Unranked -> S


Unranked -> B


Unranked -> A-

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Also, should Sakura move from A+ to S or stay where she currently is? A minimum of 3/4 positive responses and she moves up.

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