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  Posted on February 18, 2016 09:43
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Naruto

I think Naruto is pretty decent character all around. He has Some defense going for him, a stun and high spike of damage. The only thing about Naruto is that he is sometimes really slow to actually be useful considering he has to use prep in order to use his stun ability. He has a great 1v1 Potential mostly cause he can combo for 75 dmg with added stun, while havin a loads of defense. The only issue with Naruto is that he is Nin/Tai character that needs prep in order to have his stun up. This is why he will get outshined by some other Nin+Tai users.

Rank:B


Sakura

Where do i start ? Her prep is beyond broken. She can't be beaten in a 1v1 if you can get some decent chakra, and she is unstoppable (seriously, nothing can stop her besides self-counters). She has one of the best prep skills in the entire game, which is why she is always abused as much as possible. Besides she has stun on 0cd that is pretty much spammable and does ok damage without the prep. Her heal is fine as it is, it's good addition to her kit, altho the rest of it is kinda broken atm.

Rank:A+

Sasuke

Oh baby where do i start. Kill in 3 turns without even being able to defend ? Sharingan is one of the more bullshit skill we have in the game. Not only does it provide Sasuke with A lot of defensive stats, but it also cripples the enemy in a way that they cant even defend unless they have some source of DD, which is pretty rare nowadays. Not only that but it boosts up his damage heavily. He's able to dish out 45+55 so easily. Even without Sharingan boost Sasuke would be fine character, this is just too much. Altho dependable on his Sharingan usage, Sasuke still is pretty OP. Besides having 3 different classes on all of his skills also means its pretty hard to get him stunned up.

Rank:A
  Posted on February 18, 2016 12:53
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Naruto
I have always hated how reliant he is on Shadow Clones. His main skill (Rasengan) is a decent skill... But can be stopped easily. Also there are lots of times you will only get it off once since it's very likely you'll catch a stun once the CD is up.

C- for me.

Sakura
I've been complaining about it since her prep was boosted... She is broken. That prep alone makes her a no skill monster.
A+

Sasuke
His prep is pretty broken too, and he can combo enough damage to kill in 3 turns.
A
  Posted on February 18, 2016 14:56
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Naruto

I'd put naruto in rank B cause he has good defense, he is very useful with stun + 30 dmg spike with 1 chakra. he can be used in different type of teams.

B

Sakura

One of the best characters in N-A if its used by skillful player its almost no chance to lose. ignoring everything, stun 0 CD heal on any char with 0 cd.

A+

Sasuke

He is almost unstopable when he uses sharingan, he wins 90% of battles in 1v1, has 15 dr. He has 55 and 45 spike attacks with Chakra and Random.

His 3 offensive skills are : Chakra , Physical , Mental

A
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  Posted on February 18, 2016 16:26
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First off I wanna say good job to you guys, I myself have though about making a tier list for N-A for long time as well. Now let me give my input on Team 7 in N-A.

Naruto - B
A very simple but relatively strong character. He is very reliant on his prep, however since his prep only cost a random that is not a big deal. His prep gives him the ability to use his best skill: Rasengan, a very good skill with a full stun and heavy spike damage the cost for it is also pretty good. His 'Uzumaki Combo' gets its damage increased by 10 and can be used very nicely with other combos. What makes Naruto great besides his Rasengan, is the DR that he gets from his prep, this makes it very difficult to stop Naruto if u are using a low-damage non-piercer character. Since his Prep lasts longer that the CD his DR is pretty much constant. Overall Naruto is a strong character however he can be exposed easily versus heavy spikers and full stunners.

Sakura - S
Probably one the best characters in N-A. When prepped she is almost unstoppable, she can stun two very good classes and deal 30 damage for 1 simple taijustu with no CD. You can't stun her when she is prepped, offensive counters are also useless against her. Even if you manage to deal some heavy damage to her, she can just heal herself for 1 nin and no CD. To put it simple Sakura is just broken.

Sasuke - A+
Like Naruto, Sasuke is very simple character is terms of his in-game design. The strategy for him is to target an enemy with Sharingan and then to deal a 100 damage combo be it in 2 turns, if he is not stunned of course. What this does is it makes Sasuke a immediate threat to your team, so you have to stop him. Besides his 15 points of DR that he gains with his Sharingan dealing with Sasuke shouldn't be a major problem. However the thing is that Sasuke is usually coupled with other stunners, healers or spikers. So they either hinder you in your attempts trying to stop him or you will suffer from the other characters' major damage. Quite a nuisance indeed.
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  Posted on February 18, 2016 17:03
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129393a wrote:
First off I wanna say good job to you guys, I myself have though about making a tier list for N-A for long time as well. Now let me give my input on Team 7 in N-A.
Haha thanks! This is something I've been cooking up for quite a while now and I'm glad you guys are being so supportive of it. I really appreciate it.

Anyways, I'll get in contact with other 2 in a couple of hours so expect the rankings to be updated by then. Shortly thereafter one of will post the next slate consisting of Hyuuga Hinata, Aburame Shino and Inuzuka Kiba, so stay tuned. :)
  Posted on February 18, 2016 17:15
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Naruto B+

He has cool defense and deals good damage. If good chakra comes he can basically deal 75 damage + stun in two turns. One of the best spike characters in the game also good 1v1 . Naruto without clones is weak a bit. Not much damage for specific and it's only one damaging skill for him in this state. Would be A at least if he would be able to deal more damage without his preparation skill.

Sakura A
Great support,good damage and pretty good defence. She has all what beginner player needs.One of the best starter characters in my honest opinion. 20 damage+stun physical and mental, and zero coolddown is pretty good. The prep is goddamit good. Healing stunning while being tanky.

Sasuke S- or A+

This guy... You gotta avoid him as much as possible. Pierces all kinds of defences while gaining 15 DR. If you want to change Sasuke's name to SPIKE it will be all ok If not focused,he can solo your whole team.
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  Posted on February 19, 2016 02:18
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Hello guys.
Changes are as follow:



Unranked -> A+


Unranked -> A


Unranked -> B+
Now this one was kind of tricky -- As many of you people have said, Naruto is indeed an all-around good character but he's not exactly amazing and, as it was also mentioned, he does have some notable flaws that affect his performance. As such, he doesn't qualify for the A-rank. B+ seems like a good place for him as of now.

Disclaimer : If you want a thoughtout explanation as to why x character was placed under y rank, feel more than free to ask away here. I will do my best to answer it.


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2nd Character Slate



Happy posting everyone.
  Posted on February 19, 2016 03:24
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sanin-orochi wrote:
Hello guys.




Happy posting everyone.

Kiba B+
Although Kiba is an amazing character for his AoE, he can be a great threat when paired up with other AoE characters, for instance, Tayuya or Shikamaru. He can disable an entire invulnerability skill and defense for no cost for the amount of two turns which is something while increasing his own damage by 5, which is a lot, oh and he also decreases his own cost by one random by performing his AOE, but him being almost a full physical character completely damages his character design and is easier to stun and countered.

Shino - C
Shino only has 2 basic attacks, one that can decrease the opponent damage but also increase his own, but that's not an impressive thing since he can only do it once per two turns, his cooldown is what kills his character design, his AoE defense is awesome, but with everything going on now, it's just easier to break than any other skill.

Hinata: C+
She has great AoE and a drain move while performing defense for herself and her team, what I like about this character is the fact that she has a multi-classed skill-set. She has a physical skill, a chakra skill and a mental skill which helps her character skill by whole lots. She has a nice drain which helps her hinder the enemy team with such a clear-shot cooldown of 1. However, her skills being costly and taking 2 chakra out of a turn to perform would be a hasty way of classing her higher than she should be.

  Posted on February 19, 2016 04:25
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Alright I'll be leaving my input here too.

Kiba - A somewhat solid character for sure. His skillset doesn't really pack anything flashy, but his Double Headed Wolf can surely put a dent when it gets off. Unfortunately for him that isn't something spammable, which means he's getting it off only once or twice per game before getting killed off himself as, despite having 10 points of DR during Double Headed Wolf ( this skill being action classed is yet another crippling weakness), Kiba's level of survivability is rather low and leaves a lot to be desired.
Moves to B-

Shino - I actually do like Shino: defense, damage output reduction, chakra drain and affliction damage that can be improved which is always nice. Probably the go-to bloodline user for beginners. However it's worth noting that Shino needs a steady flow of the same chakra to get things going and his skills aren't exactly spammable, so you gotta use them with some reservation. Also, he really can't dish out considerable amounts of damage, so team support in that regard is essential -- otherwise you'll be up for a rough ride. All in all, great support but can't really work on his own.
Moves to C

Hinata - I'll be honest, I see almost no reason to use her at all. She's got one very small niche in her Sixty Four Palms skill, which is a nice support skill with decent damage output as long as Byakugan is up. Her drain is medicre at best, and you really shouldn't be using her for her chakra burning skills, sure it might come in handy when in a pinch but more often than not that skill is just not worth using if you could be using something else instead. Basically in the same boat as Shino, but a little bit worse.
Moves to C-
  Posted on February 19, 2016 15:15
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Kiba - B

His aoe is strong, his anti defense is incredible for 0 chakra use and the fact that his main damage skill drops to one chakra while his aoe is up makes him formidable. However because his solo kill requires 4 turns minimum, his chakra use is dependent on Tai, and his kit entirely depends on a 2 specific aoe which can be countered or stunned, he falls short on the a range.

Shino - C+

A former A+/S rank character who has fallen on hard times through balance changes, and new meta. His drain, as powerful as it is with its cost of 2, and CD of 1, is just underwhelming unless you start it turn one and continue on cool down, or you couple of with another drain. His DD is great but the CD is so high it's nigh ignorable and is mostly used just during the cooldown of his other abilities. His female bug skill is nice, but like the rest of his kit it's easily outshined by the time of other damage reducing abilities in this game and if not coupled with another is also easily ignored. Let's face it, if you want a blood user who drains, gives DD, and does 20 damage for 2 chakra. Senju Hashirama is better in every facet.

Hinata - B-

I know for most to see Hinata over C is ridiculous, but if you really examine her skills you'll nope that she's extraordinarily powerful just has a bad chakra roll. Starting with her prep that gives 15 DR as mentioned before with naruto/sasuke/Kiba 15 Dr is is quite a bit for flat reduction especially vs non piercers. It also boosts her other abilities substantially. giving her gentle fist skill a drain on both turns will guarantee either a stun drawn to her, or a defense ability used earlier than intended, either way disrupting an opponents plan. Her aoe then goes up to 20 damage and as this is her bread and butter attack she can drop a lot of aoe damage while protecting her team. Her 3 abilities are mental/chakra/physical which makes her hard to stun out completely. The problem with her as I mentioned really is her chakra draw. If she wasn't a nin/tai user she would surely be in the meta. Like if her aoe cost red instead of blue, she would have been in teams the way hiashi was. However because she takes up the 2 most important chakra slots she gets outshined by the sasukes, the narutos, and the YKs of the game. However if she gets a chakra color change or a random dropped off either of her abilities while prepped expect to see her dominating the ladder/war scene.


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  Posted on February 19, 2016 15:21
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Kiba is kind of a char that can solo whole team if he gets right chakra, also depends on opponent team but whatever, his cheap No Cost skill is annoying asf also with 0 CD, His 30 DMG cheap attack is also nice after AOE. so he is very useful and id put him in B rank.

Kiba - B

Shino is char that is huge boost for team , he deals 20 AFF + stealing random, gainind DD for whole team, making chars reduce damage by 5. but he is bad cause he deals only 20 damage and with Colldown of 1. sad he can only be used on Heavy teams yet he still makes it to C/C+.

Shino - C+

Hinata is bad char for me , No piercing damage , his chakra is Nin-Tai almost every nin-tai user is good vs her but her drain and aoe + DD on team makes her a bit useful so i'd put her in - C rank. i never used her but went against her much times she can't do shit compared to other Nin-Tai users.

Hinata - C-
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  Posted on February 19, 2016 15:22
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Kiba B
Good AOE skil. 15 for 3 turns and damage reduction aaaand garuga costs one random chakra less. There is nothing wrong about this skill. Can be stopped by stun so that's why it's balanced the way it is.
Air marking is also a good skill but it lasts only 2 turns . Could be better. Garuga last of Kiba's skill. Pretty balanced skill. Kiba does not look good while 1v1. But it's only my opinion. He's the best when 3v3 making his aoe worth.

Hinata C++ XD
Sorry Hinata ;/// Her kit looks like "lets put some random,bad skills". Even if I say her skillset is bad,she is not that worst. You can combine her skills with other characters making her more useful than she seems to be. Her AoE is pretty good but not in damage/cost wise. She does some good defence. She is more defensive character so you gotta match up her with some damage. There is another thing that makes her quite good. Her chakra affecting skill. Let's put it with something that makes target unable to go invulnerable.

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  Posted on February 19, 2016 15:30
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Hinata - B-

I know for most to see Hinata over C is ridiculous, but if you really examine her skills you'll nope that she's extraordinarily powerful just has a bad chakra roll. Starting with her prep that gives 15 DR as mentioned before with naruto/sasuke/Kiba 15 Dr is is quite a bit for flat reduction especially vs non piercers. It also boosts her other abilities substantially. giving her gentle fist skill a drain on both turns will guarantee either a stun drawn to her, or a defense ability used earlier than intended, either way disrupting an opponents plan. Her aoe then goes up to 20 damage and as this is her bread and butter attack she can drop a lot of aoe damage while protecting her team. Her 3 abilities are mental/chakra/physical which makes her hard to stun out completely. The problem with her as I mentioned really is her chakra draw. If she wasn't a nin/tai user she would surely be in the meta. Like if her aoe cost red instead of blue, she would have been in teams the way hiashi was. However because she takes up the 2 most important chakra slots she gets outshined by the sasukes, the narutos, and the YKs of the game. However if she gets a chakra color change or a random dropped off either of her abilities while prepped expect to see her dominating the ladder/war scene.

I beg to differ. Yes, the chakra roll is a MAJOR setback for her and that in itself is a negative trait that can hardly be overlooked. I completely agree that her AoE and multiple classes are her selling points but imo that's not enough to turn a blind eye to flaws. As of now C+ seems perfect for her.

C-Rank - Reserved for characters that have notable niches, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective.

If she ever gets changed as you've pointed out, then she'll be B rank, perhaps even A-, for sure. This is all just my opinion, though.
  Posted on February 19, 2016 15:40
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Poll added.
Today I wasn't feeling really creative so that's what I got, but I'll think of something more interesting next time.
  Posted on February 19, 2016 15:43
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sanin-orochi wrote:
Masta_J wrote:
Hinata - B-

I know for most to see Hinata over C is ridiculous, but if you really examine her skills you'll nope that she's extraordinarily powerful just has a bad chakra roll. Starting with her prep that gives 15 DR as mentioned before with naruto/sasuke/Kiba 15 Dr is is quite a bit for flat reduction especially vs non piercers. It also boosts her other abilities substantially. giving her gentle fist skill a drain on both turns will guarantee either a stun drawn to her, or a defense ability used earlier than intended, either way disrupting an opponents plan. Her aoe then goes up to 20 damage and as this is her bread and butter attack she can drop a lot of aoe damage while protecting her team. Her 3 abilities are mental/chakra/physical which makes her hard to stun out completely. The problem with her as I mentioned really is her chakra draw. If she wasn't a nin/tai user she would surely be in the meta. Like if her aoe cost red instead of blue, she would have been in teams the way hiashi was. However because she takes up the 2 most important chakra slots she gets outshined by the sasukes, the narutos, and the YKs of the game. However if she gets a chakra color change or a random dropped off either of her abilities while prepped expect to see her dominating the ladder/war scene.

I beg to differ. Yes, the chakra roll is a MAJOR setback for her and that in itself is a negative trait that can hardly be overlooked. I completely agree that her AoE and multiple classes are her selling points but imo that's not enough to turn a blind eye to flaws. As of now C+ seems perfect for her.

C-Rank - Reserved for characters that have notable niches, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective.

If she ever gets changed as you've pointed out, then she'll be B rank, perhaps even A-, for sure. This is all just my opinion, though.

B-Rank - Reserved for characters that are great but not exactly amazing. These characters have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support

As stated here the difference between c and b rank is the number of flaws the character has. From what I said and from what I've read she only has one those being that she is nin / tai although it's a big one, I don't think that, that one flaw is enough to mirror all of her positive qualities evenly. Which is why by default I put her in B, although she is in B- which is the closest to C.

However, if there were no +/- she would be a shoe in for C no question.


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